Will Jesus forgive everyone?

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RoyalBill, I had a feeling you were Penecostal, I’ve heard they believe that we can lose our salvation. Have you checked out the Left Behind message board??? If you get a chance, or maybe you already have, check it out. i bet you’d like it :), take care, and I’m going to bed. I’ve been on here way too long.

Jesus said…
John 14:1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me.”
John 14:11 “Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.”:slight_smile:

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I keep reading things about the left behind page…seems there was some fight or something…havent found it yet…

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Good Night, God Bless

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A good judge of things are the writings that religions are based on. I have read the Koran, The Book Of Mormon, Eygyptian Book of the Dead, and several other writings and none of them stack up to the Bible in either historical facts (the book of mormon claims that jews came to america long ago and if I remember correctly that is where the native americans are from. this is easily disproved as are many other inaccuracies in mormon writings.) or spiritual guidance.

Some spiritual laws are universal and are easy to incorporate in a religion. Take for instance karma. In the Bible it’s the golden rule. But it’s the same concept. And it’s also true. Consider tithing. Whether or not you want to give money to a religious crook isn’t the point. The point is tithing works. The Jews are very diligent in tithing and they are also a very prosperous people in general. It’s a spiritual law. You give, you get, i.e. you reap what you sow.

The Bible however is unique in many ways. One of those ways is that it never tries to make someone look good. It just simply states the facts as they happened. We learned in the Bible that King David was an adulterer and a murderer. People take these immoral instances and try to say that the Bible condones that behaviour when in reality the Bible isn’t condoning it, it’s just reporting the facts as they happened. As a matter of fact there aren’t many people in the Bible that God doesn’t show to be just another human in need of his saving grace. Jesus was the only person in the Bible portrayed to have never sinned.

The Jewish scribes took very seriously their job of transcribing their holy documents. They made certain not to change one iota, dot or dash. When the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered people were amazed at how much the modern Bible did not deviate from those scrolls.

The Bible has many times been pointed at as being historically inaccurate but each time that happens something new is discovered in a dig somewhere confirming the Bible was correct after all.

This might not be the exact proof someone wants, but if someone will actually read what is written and study it I think they will be amazed. Consider reading: Evidence That Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell. He has many good books out that I challenge any skeptic to read.

BTW- Islam was born out of a man named Mohammed going in to a cave and an angel telling him what to write over a short period of time. That was in 600+ A.D. It is wrought with judaism (in a twisted manner. the muslims argue that the jews changed scripture and that instead of Issac that Abraham was going to sacrifice it was Ishmael. Thus the long time fighting over that little place where the Dome of the Rock is), catholicism (see how the virgin mary is portrayed in the Koran yet it states emphatically that Jesus was no son of God, just another prophet. Not only that but a prophet BELOW Mohammed. How convenient.), and occultism. It is almost as poorly written, in my opinion as the books Joseph Smith and his special glasses wrote. The Bible was written by many different men over a span of thousands of years and yet it confirms itself. Read it and see. Or are you afraid of it?

The ever insensitive, politically incorrect PitBullDawg.
Political correctness is a disease. Cure it with the truth.

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Dangit. I meant to reply to the OP. Someone that has never heard of Jesus is not guilty of rejecting him. In the Bible we find when the Israelites were wandering in the desert because they had pissed God off where God states that only thos under the age of 20 would not be held accountable for the sin, not because they didn’t committ the sin (they did) but because they weren’t aware of their sin. The so called age of accountibility. That easily translates to anyone else on this earth that hasn’t heard of Jesus. God does not hold you accountable for things you do that are wrong but you aren’t aware they are wrong. Would God send a 5 year old child to hell if that child were to take a gun and kill someone? I think not. So it stands to reason, and this can be backed up with Biblical scripture, that those who didn’t have the chance to accept Jesus aren’t going to hell because of their ignorance.

Pit those of us that do know and yet reject him.

The ever insensitive, politically incorrect PitBullDawg.
Political correctness is a disease. Cure it with the truth.

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Acts? Faith? Works? Knowledge? What "gets you in to heaven?

When works are spoke of in the Bible, they are seen as evidence of faith. Not faith itself. We are saved by grace, and not works. However, I believe that we, as humans, have the capacity to accept or reject the gift of grace. When you accept it, you are saved. You try to do right, NOT so that you will go to heaven, but BECAUSE you are going to heaven. After you have been saved, you can then take the gift you have, and reject it. You do this in your heart, and it is shown in your works.

If you love Jesus, truly and honestly love him, then you will do what he commands. Not to prove you love, but as a natural thing. You will fall and fail, but Jesus is there to pick you up if you love and accept him. So, if you are saved, but continue in a sinful lifestyle, then you have rejected his gift, and his love, in your heart and it is evidenced in your actions.

On the other hand, everyone is a sinner. I mess up daily in my walk with God. But I love Him, and am trying to do what is right. If I was continuing in a sin without trying, then I would not have my salvation taken from me, I would be rejecting it in my heart, and it would be evidenced in my actions.

The big problem here is that this is all in the heart. THAT is why humans can’t judge one-another to heaven or hell. We don’t know someone’s heart, just their actions. God know there heart. Only God and the person truly know if that person is trying, and has not rejected the gift they once accepted.

/*phew that was harder than I thought…

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“7But all these things that might have helped me, I call them all nothing, because of Christ. 8Yes, I call them all nothing, because to know Christ Jesus my Lord is much better. It is for his sake that I have given them all up and call them just dirt.”
Phil. 3:6-8

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Hey, Kerux? You did in five paragraphs what it took Paul about fifteen chapters to do in Romans, and every writer since (Augustine, Luther, Wesley) has filled volumes with. No wonder it seemed hard. A beautiful job. God bless you. :slight_smile: