Is it ok if the rapper also composes and produces the beats himself? With no sampling?
Oh, rap sounds like rap. Good work.
Like *that *happens.
What do you mean by a “beat?” Are you talking about just a percussion track or are you talking about actual music?
The percussion tracks are done by machine.
If someone writes his own music, I respect that, even I don’t like the music. Yes, that takes talent and ability.
If they steal somebody else’s work, I don’t respect that at all.
But you know what rap is, and it doesn’t include any production of ‘actual’ music, to be clear. And so to the extent that anything linked to in this thread is rap, it doesn’t include, for instance, live backing on musical instruments. Because that would be music, not rap.
Actually, a “beat” in rap generally refers to the music as a whole- all the components of whatever that particular arrangement requires. I apologize for not being clear, this vernacular has been in use since before I was born, well into the early 80s, so I thought it was pretty prevelant.
No, I don’t mean a drum machine (or an 808, or whatever you want it to be). I mean a rap artist that . . . let’s use language that isn’t normally associated with rap, but we will. If a rap artist composes the music for his track completely originally, is that ok? So, there’s no sampling and the artist writes and produces every musical part of the track him or herself. Is that rap music? What if the artist has a producer the collaborate with, but again- everything is original to that grouping?
Edit: Oops, you replied while I was replying. Ok. So, if the above take talent, would you not agree that your blanket statement that all rappers are talentless is a bit off base?
If it contains live, unstolen music, then I would consider it music.
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So. . . it can’t be a recording? Like, if I’m listening to a rap CD. . . that’s not music?
Do you know any other female MCs like her, by the way?
I, for one, only consider real music to be played on instruments carved from antique furniture, performed by midgets.
Now let’s have 2 pages of a thread dedicated to my superior, intelligent and very well thought out opinion.
I’ve occasionally heard the term used that way, but only for rap. It may have some utility as a shorthand recording term, but not so much for bands and instrumentalists. For people who actually play instruments, “beat” just refers to time. We use the word “riff” (short for refrain) to indicate a full, repeating musical signature. I figured you were probably using the rap definition, but I wasn’t sure.
Well, I would still say that rapping itself requires no talent (ok, maybe some breathing skills and the ability to enunciate quickly), even though some rappers might have incidental talent in other areas.
You know what is real bullshit? Pianos. What the hell. You are just pressing keys in order. No more different that pressing buttons. It’s so basic that we invented pianos that play themselves. If someone is going to call themselves a musician, I want them to do something that requires actual talent, not just plodding away one a bunch of fixed keys that someone else invented and tuned. Make your own damn instrument, don’t just steal other people’s work.
So, given that I obviously am aware what links I’ve posted and wouldn’t have asked unless I’d posted a hip-hop group doing a show where they were playing their own music, I’m just going to consider
retracted and admitted as bluster, since even by your own definitions you can’t think it’s true. Incidentally, it’s a pretty narrow definition anyway, since it eliminates everybody who is strictly a vocalist from the class of musicians, but hey, whatever. Good luck drawing that line.
Hades: no.
I said “live” becuse Jimmy specifically said “live.” I’m saying live backing music is legit as long as the music isn’t stolen. So is recorded backing music.
This is a retarded and witless analogy.
I agreed that original composition requires talent. Can we all agree that stealing samples does not require talent?
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Well, I suppose if the byzantine intricacies of YouTube are too much for you to handle ( :rolleyes: ) it’s probably too much to ask if you have access to iTunes, or a similar online music store?
I actually disagree with that, but more importantly: *most rap isn’t sampling. * Thus, your whole assessment is a little misguided.