Isn’t it a little like the Bush yellow-cake lies?
“We heard from someone that Sadam was trying to buy yellow-cake?”
When his own CIA briefings were telling him that it just wasn’t true…
Or Bachman’s “Well, I heard vaccinations caused retardation…”
It’s simply par for the course…
To counter the severe slump in European sales, Marchionne is considering building Chrysler models in Italy, including Jeeps, for export to North America. The Italian government is evaluating tax rebates on export goods to help Fiat. Marchionne may announce details of his plan as soon as Oct. 30, the people said.
The second time (in the ad), he didn’t say anything about Jeep moving production. We already covered this.
This seems supportive ( to me, at least) of Chrysler weaseling away from what they said and intended, after it bit them in the ass. A sloppily written article that appears to contradict itself doesn’t change that. There’s only one campaign that flat-out lied with regard to this, and it wasn’t Romney’s.
This is how it should be interpreted: By “Localizing the entire portfolio”, what Manley means is build the entire Jeep lineup that is sold in China, in China. He is debating whether they should do this with the entire lineup or just part of it. He is definitely not talking about building cars in China to sell in the US.
The same applies to Italy. They sell Jeeps in Europe, they are all currently imported from the US, if they do produce some models in Italy, certainly most or all of them will be also sold in the EU.
The thing you have to understand is that no one actually wants to make cars in China. The only reason any car production happens at all in China is that China is a closed domestic market, with high tariffs and other barriers to entry. There is no actual advantage to doing so, car production isn’t really that labour intensive vs capital intensive, and whatever small costs might be saved through labour will be lost 10 fold through other “costs” of doing business in China. No major foreign car company I know of builds cars in China to sell in the US, or hell any other country outside of China with the sole exception of Honda, which sources the Honda Fit for the Canadian market from China. This was only due to their bad luck of having both of their other major production facilities in Japan and Thailand being shut down by freak natural disasters in the same year.
This is kind of true for Italy too, although not to the same extent. European carmakers that sell in the US mostly build their cars in the US or Mexico, with a smattering from either Eastern Europe or South Africa. It just makes more business sense.
I think Romney’s statements are technically correct. Since currently all Jeeps sold in China are built in the US, every Jeep they build in China means one less Jeep built in the US.
It only matters to his opponents not the devoted.
The devoted are impressed with his ability to dance around and not say much specifically. They don’t care if the facts are wrong. Because it’s all just code for, “We’ll have it all our way, (on gay marriage, abortion, birth control, etc.), just let’s get the White House, no matter what we have to say to get there!”
Because his people know what he really wants to do, (comforted knowing it won’t be popular, but it’s what this country needs!), I don’t think they really care what he says!
The bullshit lies and nonsense are just to keep the left livid, I believe.
Not if sales in China will be higher if the vehicles are made in China.
When was the last time an American politician’s chances were hurt by lying?
I think it was when we were supposed to read Bush Sr’s lips.
So, you figure Bush Sr. was really lying about not wanting to put in new taxes? :dubious:
They’re certainly in say-anything mode. The campaign is making up stuff about the auto bailout and Norm Coleman is swearing to Ohio voters that Roe v. Wade won’t be overturned under Romney. It’ll be interesting to see if the religious right makes a peep in response to those statements. The big unknown here is what kind of news coverage any of this gets in the next couple of days as storm coverage dies down. Obama’s going to need to have someone respond forcefully on these issues and I’m not sure he’ll be in a position to do it himself.
At this point in the election I don’t understand why anyone would think lying is going to hurt Romney. Did you miss the last six months?
Yeah, I doubt it’ll move the needle in either direction.
Here’s the Fact Checker from The Washington Post on the topic. He gives Romney four pinocchios.
He also uses the phrase, "This ad shows that we have entered the final, desperate week of the campaign. "
I think this may be a huge blunder for Romney, underappreciated due to the storm, but the CEO of Chrysler put out a memo to employees, essentially basically called Romney a liar and he gets to highlight all the things they are going to do for Ohio. This is getting play in the Ohio press, too.
That’s because that asshole doubled down on the lie in a new radio spot!
I read* that Romney plans to sacrifice all the firstborn of the land to Satan.
*in this post’s review-and-edit window
Initially, I agreed with the cynical position that Romney lying was going to be a pig/grunt situation - completely unremarkable to anyone.
However, pushing it to the point of getting a counter response like this… I think that changes things up quite a bit. I do think this becomes a damaging thing for Romney.
He’s completely screwed in Ohio.
The new radio ad not only lies about Jeep production, but insinuates GM is going to cost Americans jobs, too. As a result …
“GM spokesman Greg Martin also responded to Romney’s radio ad on Tuesday: ‘We’ve clearly entered some parallel universe during these last few days. No amount of campaign politics at its cynical worst will diminish our record of creating jobs in the U.S. and repatriating profits back to this country.’”
The 1990s called–it wants its thread back.
Well, it comes down to what people are talking about in Ohio. I don’t live there, and I don’t think you or Shayna do either, so the question is: Does any of that stuff put out by GM get to the average voter? If it does, then maybe it will have an effect. If not, then not. I honestly don’t know.