I assigned no moral agency to either sides’ motives.
Okay, I read it differently, but perhaps I read too much into it. Sorry.
Don’t be sorry – I think you were right!
Wanting “heads smashed for the PR” has a pretty negative moral connotation about their motives.
No need to apologize. What I did try to say is that both sides’ tactics are designed to elicit a certain response from authorities. The Bundys don’t want to be martyrs, they want to stare the government down.
I don’t believe so. It’s a perfectly reasonable thing to do if you think the police are brutal thugs. Provoke them into proving it. Getting arrested multiple times for trespass is just what professional liberal protesters do.
There is no such thing as an “armed sit-in” That’s like having an armed love-in.
This is people being given an order by police and not obeying, when they are armed to boot. This is a potentially dangerous situation, which requires them to be arrested. An arrest is not “armed men with guns trying to come and threaten them” Threaten them with what? Arrest? The requirement to obey a lawful order? Going home to their wives?
From your statement you are saying that they are going to shoot it out rather than be arrested.
Compare it to Sandra Bland case. Were you one of the ones arguing that she disobeyed police? What about Tamir Rice? Didn’t he “fail to put his hands up” (After they gave up on “he failed to put the gun down” when it was seen to be liability proving)
The hypocrisy cannot be measured.
From my facebook feed:
“We need a total and complete shutdown of white people entering the United States until Congress can figure out what the hell is going on in Oregon.”
Do you have a cite for the bolded part, including a list of people who are “professional liberal protesters”?
Cindy Sheehan.
Ooh, a name. That’s impressive.
Explain.
You got to love this.
Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! That’s the best you can do? One name and no cite for the actual claim you made about “Getting arrested multiple times for trespass is just what professional liberal protesters do”?
Hell, Cindy Sheehan doesn’t even support the contention you made.
Aaaaahh…Ummmmmmmmmm…
SAUL ALINSKY !!!
Yeah, yeah that’s it.
Methinks you overestimate their combat ability, especially vis-à-vis real trained professionals versus some yahoos. A couple of snipers is all that is needed to prevent the loss of federal law enforcement personnel. Please note that I’m NOT advocating for such a response.
But, there is trespass on federal land with folks that are armed and clearly threatening to use their firearms in “certain situations”. (Not to mention that these “nutjobs” seem to think that the federal lands should be grazed to death, clear cut of trees and then strip mined for their or their “interests” benefit. Just does not compute for me.)
YMMV, but I would give fair warning (and all involved should be arrested if that’s what the law calls for alleged trespassers), then shut off power and access. Let 'em come out, surrender and have their day in court.
Again, if these are the “militia” that the 2nd references, IMHO the NRA should be concerned…
Many funny comments in there, but this is my favourite so far:
So you concede they are either terrorists, willing to kill government officials to continue their unlawful occupation or they are little weenies with big guns. Gotcha.
Terrorists terrorize civilians. Anti-government militants are not terrorists. You’re muddling the meaning of the word for political purposes.
So when someone blows up a marine barracks, or detonates a car bomb at a checkpoint, not terrorism? When Nidal Hassan shot up some soldiers, not terrorism?
I don’t think the GOP agrees with you.
The GOP has never been above misusing the term terrorist to describe actions that are not really terrorism.
That being said, applying the term to people who have not killed anyone and made sure they took the building when it was empty is even more of a stretch. Especially since their goal is not death and mayhem, but for the government to back down.
You really should stop voting for such varlets.
A group of men trying to change laws by breaking in somewhere and using weapons to try to intimidate the government into non-action *is *mayhem.