Nope, read it again, the majority of Americans, Even in Texas do not agree in putting even more restrictions than the ones the Supreme court supported recently.
But this is in the end not a popularity contest, just like in the evolution question the fact that also half of Americans oppose its no reason to support Intelligence Design in schools.
And then one should remember that in the most recent “20 weeks” abortion laws passed in a few states, the courts have declared them unconstitutional.
No, you are just once again avoiding the point, It is not that they need to become pro-choice, they need to back off from imposing even more restrictions that the ones they already got.
Seeing that in Texas “63 percent say the state has enough restrictions on abortion and 71 percent thinking that the Governor and legislature should be more focused on the economy and jobs.” IMHO there is yet another reason why Texas will become blue sooner rather than later.
And to Gigobuster, for the purposes of this thread, yes, it’s a popularity contest. It does no good to say the Republicans should be better, but less popular. Although I can see why Democrats would want that. Democrats aren’t about to lose just to do the right thing. That’s why they voted for DOMA while now cheering its demise. They didn’t have the courage of their convictions back then and they were willing to sell out anyone to stay in power. Nothing’s really changed.
Wait until Democrats figure out that the limousine liberals won’t be running the party anymore. That’ll be fun.
Once again, where it counts the results are just to get the laws to be declared unconstitutional, as a commenter on Reddit said, the Governors in the states that are passing these laws are just pushing for job programs to benefit their buddy lawyers that play golf with them.
Wrong - Republicans should follow the polls and stop pushing for even more stringent abortion regulation, because people want other things - you know, like jobs.
Because it’s wrong.
Yes, and in doing so, they’d stop being among the reasons that only a “few Americans” aren’t dead wrong about voter ID. Do you know why voter ID is popular? It’s not because it’s necessary or because the data supports it. It’s because people don’t know the facts. The vast majority of Americans have IDs and don’t usually spend much time thinking about that fact, and when they hear about Voter ID laws, they don’t think, “Wait, how much voter fraud is there really - getting ID can be a long and arduous process”, they think, “Huh, that makes sense - almost everyone has ID, and I didn’t have any trouble getting it”. Of course, they miss the point, because they never had to understand it. But that doesn’t mean they were right.
Voters want politicians to focus on jobs like a laser beam. Democrats have violated these wishes far more often than Republicans, and still are.
I think Americans realize that the only way to live without ID is if you depend on someone else to take care of you because you are mentally incompetent. In which case you shouldn’t be voting anyway.
If you collect government benefits, you have ID. If you have a job, you have ID. If you have a car, you have ID. If you either rent or own your home, you have ID. If you travel anywhere, by bus, train, or plane, you have ID.
Which leaves people who never get out of the house because they rely totally on someone else to do everything for them.
And even if I accept these as true (and frankly I’d be surprised if Greyhound requires a passport to board), not all forms of identification are accepted under many voter ID laws.
This is blatantly false. There are many older people who collect their social security check without the type of ID required in any of the proposed voting laws.
What does one of those things have to do with the other?
And?
Why? I’ll use a common Democratic talking point. “They won, so they get a mandate in the state to do what they want”. That’s how it works, right?
Democrats try to legalize gay marriage (see: virtually any state with a Democratic legislature), ban guns (see: Colorado) or extend abortion rights (see: New York and California), but you never see the same people railing against Republicans rail against Democrats for “not focusing on jobs”. Why, exactly, is that?
Have you even looked at the job situation in Texas relative to the rest of the U.S.? Of course you haven’t. Perry has done a damn good job of keeping Texas relatively unscathed (as when compared to the U.S. as a whole) during the economic downturn.
Again, the Republicans doing everything to stop measures to concentrate on that and then having them claim that it is the fault of the other party is only fooling a few, but it does not fool most people.
And another ignorant point that forgets that Literacy tests and other moves like that were used to deny votes to the less able. In any case, only in severe circumstances that is the case, but many that can make a living still have their rights threatened, and usually by conservatives too.
And this was a point that has been shown to be misleading so many times, it is really a silly one.
Even though the supreme court relaxed the law, Texas was shamed to offer a free ID for voting, just 8 days ago…
Actually, there appear to be a great many voters out there with completely different priorities. (There are even some who appear to reject the notion that the jobless rate is a proper concern of government at all.)
Neither party has paid attention to jobs because they are both slaves to the one percent, and the one percent does not give a damn about jobs. Neither does Congress and the White House, though of course they SAY they do.
There are millions of Americans who don’t have a photo ID, and to call them incompetent is simply insulting, primarily because it isn’t true. You obviously have no idea what it means to be a member of the working poor who literally subsist day to day concerned if they will have food for themselves or their children by the end of the week, and for that perhaps you should get a pass, but ignorance of others’ circumstances is truly no reason to insult them.
There is at least one cite in this very thread that dismisses your contention. You are also quite incorrect about renting and traveling by bus or train. In many places in the US, you need nothing more than a SS # and a recent pay stub in order to rent an apartment. I have never heard of an ID requirement for traveling by bus or train. In fact, I traveled to Boston for business via Amtrak a few weeks ago and I wasn’t asked to present any ID at all.
Again, not true, but I don’t expect any facts presented here will disabuse you of your delusions.
adaher, you and I are on opposite sides of the political spectrum, but I always considered you a reasoned debater. No, I don’t expect you to roll over and believe what your adversaries state just because they say it, but some of what you contend is simply easily refuted. Why won’t you even consider that some of your positions may need adjustment?
It seems you’re being purposefully obtuse in this thread, my friend. What I can’t figure out is why.
Look, Pubs, I’ll give the game away. This is why you lost – it comes down to two reasons, which will continue to apply whether the economy gets better or worse:
1. The GOP has become a lot more RW than it used to be. Not conservative, but RW, which is much more radical and less cautionary. E.g., no conservative would ever shout “End The Fed!” or “Drown it in a bathtub!” or “Molon Labe!” There was a time when both major parties had their liberal and conservative wings, but that changed with the general party-realignment of the 1960s and '70s, which was coincident with movement “conservatism” falsely-so-called taking over the GOP. That takeover is now all but complete; liberal “Rockefeller Republicans” are a thing of the past, and moderate-conservative “Main Street Republicans” are struggling with RWs for the soul of the party and not struggling very hard. The GOP still has internal divisions – in fact, they appear to be growing worse – but, apart from the Main Street/RW divide, the divisions are now between different flavors of RWs – bizcons and neocons and paleocons and theocons and libertarians agree on some points, but their fundamental world-views are all very different. Nevertheless, all would agree in dismissing Reagan or Goldwater as RINOs if they were running for office today.
2. Becoming more RW has increased your zeal but decreased your appeal. You have a very zealous, turnoutable base now, or perhaps a better word would be desperate – as desperate as the 19th Century Plains Indians who danced the “Ghost Dance” in the hope it would make everything again as it was before the palefaces came. But, all politically interested people run the risk of misjudging their own political viewpoint to be much more popular than it is, because they tend to hang out with like-minded people. “How could X have won?! Nobody I know voted for him!” In fact, the American people are not nearly as RW or even as conservative as they would need to be for a majority of them to support your party in its present formation. See the Pew Political Typology 2011. “Staunch Conservatives” make up only 9% of the general population, “Main Street Republicans” 11%. Add in all of the “Libertarians” and the “Disaffecteds” and you’re still only up to 40% – and you have almost no appeal to anybody else but those groups.