My brain must be awfully small as I find I don’t agree w/ you, but I was still able to look online and see that over 11,000 people were arrested around the actions of the 1992 LA riots. That’s just like none only a lot more and then several on top of that.
We don’t know anything about what occurred during the Zimmerman/Martin action; but keeping saying it and soon enough people will forget that and take your word as fact.
You’re hitting every dog-whistle racist talking point tralfamidor, right down to the comparison of black people to animals (who are less evolved and controllable than humans).
Not being in the place where it happened isn’t ‘barely missed’, it’s ‘completely missed’; exaggeration doesn’t help your argument. You don’t want to doubt anything, my disingenuous friend, you want an excuse to bring up a race riot cite.
I don’t see any MAJOR riots happening if he’s found not guilty. The initial obsession of this case was that Zimmerman wasn’t arrested/charged. The Stand Your Ground Law seemed to take precedence over what the cops thought.
Now he’s got his trial, showcased by the prosecution witnesses, who IMO have not given much to convict of 2nd degree murder. I doubt he’ll go scott free on everything, but I think the riots would be more likely if they still refused to press charges on Zimmerman. There’s ben plenty of cases where cops have shot black kids and were never tried. If a WANNABE cop got away with not being charged, shit would’ve already happened.
I think you may have misread what I was saying. I was pointing out that race based riots have occured with much less provocation than the feelings that are getting stirred up by this case. By missed I meant I missed witnessing it happen. Saw the aftermath though. I probably should have worded that better.
Only if you are paying attention. I know next to nothing about the case. I can’t decide if they’re convict because hey it’s Florida, they’re like Texas in the regard if you’ve been arrested, you must be guilty. Or they’ll not convict because he, it’s Florida–all he did was kill a black kid.
Thanks for all the responses. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see now.
At the moment it’s looking like he’ll walk, so unless the prosecution have something really big lined up I guess we’ll be finding out. So far, their witnesses have been aiding the defence.
That doesn’t mean he’ll walk, if the judge gives the jury the option of convicting Zimmerman on a lesser offense, like second degree manslaughter. In fact, I strongly suspect that’s what’s been in the script all along, so that the jurors can avoid a murder conviction without fearing for their lives for the rest of their days and the “justice system” can say it’s done its job.
It’s certainly true that the prosecution has utterly botched things so far, among other blunders, making it completely obvious that the black girl “witness” was force-fed a story (they should have made sure she was capable of repeating it the way they wanted before they stuck her on the witness stand). But I don’t think how the actual show trial goes makes much difference. They convict on manslaughter; Z goes to prison; Z’s found in his cell strangled with his own intestines a week later. Everyone’s happy: a few blacks may riot as a result of him “getting off easy,” but only until they realize that in prison, he’ll last about three days, making any conviction, for murder or a lesser offense, a particularly messy death sentence anyway.
As you might have noticed, facts mean nothing to tralfamidor; if I was a more paranoid individual I’d think he was a an astro-turfing plant for defense, the way he trots out fibs as facts and supposition as guarantees.
Yes. Absolutely. A big black man is going to smash your windows with his big black crowbar, rape your family with his big black penis, steal your big black television, pull out his big black lighter, and dance the big black dance of his big black people on the big black asphalt while a big black plume of smoke rises over your little white neighborhood.
Not much of a change, actually–I merely included the possibility that he would be convicted of a lesser offense under the umbrella of “he is not convicted of murder.”
I do think there’s a difference, in that there will be less destructive, less widespread, and shorter duration rioting if he gets convicted on the lesser charge. I would easily lay 1000-1 odds on Zimmerman’s life expectancy being less than, say, a year after he went to prison. He may, I concede, not die in as colorful a way as I’ve described. He might also be assigned to a segregated unit, in which case it could take several months to kill him.
I knew someone would comment on the remark I made about the jurors, and would only refer you to the fact that the one juror in the OJ Simpson criminal trial who resisted rendering an instantaneous not guilty verdict was threatened with death by another juror–the holdout then changed his mind (he reported this in an interview shortly after the trial was over). I would be astonished if death threats haven’t already reached the jurors. There’s too much at stake here. Many people regard the conviction of Zimmerman as an absolute necessity. If the jury votes to acquit, they will have made tens of millions of enemies, some of whom settle their antagonisms the old-fashioned way.
Nope. They’ll find some Korean, Hispanic, or other ethnic neighborhood to burn down and loot its shops. That’s what they did in L.A. and other cities. You see, the white neighborhoods often aren’t within easy walking distance.
We only have some of the celebrations you describe captured on film, such as the Reginald Denny cinder block dance and the aggreived rioter protesting the injustices done to his people by carrying a washing machine away from an appliance store (on his back, no less!).
I’m not at all afraid of the riots, because I doubt very much that Zimmerman will be acquitted in the first place, and if and when the verdict is handed down, I intend to be far away from the ethnic neighborhoods of any city. I don’t want someone bashing in the windows of my car in a noble effort to redress racial injustice.
Look at the title of this particular forum. Look at the title of this thread.
I am answering a question about the future, speculating, supposing, whatever you wish to call it. It’s really, really stupid to criticize someone for not offering FACTS considering FUTURE EVENTS. The future hasn’t happened yet. Do you fathom that?
Unfortunately, those blacks who attend NAACP meetings and listen to pastors in church aren’t the ones who would be starting the riots. And Al Sharpton and his ilk out-shout any pastor.
I do also hope that if Zimmerman doesn’t get railroaded, the black community will take it calmly. The simple fact is that he should be acquitted, and I say that thinking that he’s probably guilty. But the case against him isn’t as strong as it needs to be. Will the black community realize that, or will they see the (hypothetical not guilty) verdict as just another injustice perpetrated by Whitey?
I can’t see them accepting a not guilty verdict as just, and I can’t see them reacting peacefully to that. I hope I’m dead wrong.
I’m referring to your enormous misstatement upthread about there being no one arrested during the LA Riots; you were off by over 11000 people.
And we don’t call each other stupid here in IMHO, lad.
You fail, as so many do, to differentiate between what you say being called stupid and yourself being called stupid. Which itself is kind of stupid, lad. So if you’re not stupid (and I’m perfectly willing to stipulate that you’re not), don’t ignore the distinction.
And re the arrests: yes, you’re right insofar as many people were taken into temporary custody. The vast majority of them were released within hours, and the LA county and city authorities declined to prosecute in all but a very few cases. I don’t know the outcomes of those less than a dozen cases. For the vast majority of the rioters, rioting and looting had no consequences whatsoever, and for all but a very few, those consequences were limited to a few hours under arrest. The failure to prosecute those rioters sent a very clear message, that the rioting was just and justified.