Please give an example of an improved working enviroment not related to pressure from government laws or worker unions or expected pressure from same.
Unions are being removed and deregulation is a big Republican ideal. On what basis is your belief that OSHA will not be eroded into non-existance in the name of “saving a few dollars here and there” built?
So, are you now constructing an argument for me, to join Mr. Working C. Scarecrow who you built to stand in for margin?
My argument, to be very very clear for you since you seem to be on a “pretend I’m stupid enough to believe my paraphrase is your argument” kick:
Republicans have, as not secret at all and quite publicly defended goals, the ultimate elimination (or complete marginalization) of labor unions, and the ultimate reversal (or complete emasculation through defunding or legislative restriction of gov’t agencies) of environmental, health and safety regulations. I do not offer some sort of slippery slope argument about collective bargaining or hyperbolic reaction regarding the direct effects of the titular Wisconsin bill examined in this thread.
I’m speaking of the conditions that will inevitably result from the stated conservative goal of rolling back the worker protections and empowering organizations built up in the 20th Century to return to the regulatory environment and ownership slanted power structures of the 19th Century.
Invoke Harry Potter all you want. Maybe his wand pointing and Latinate sounding shouts will reinforce your handwaving and America’s gilded age history will ‘disappeariandum’ forthwith.
It’s my contention that OSHA will vanish if the GOP is allowed to fulfill their stated goal of making OSHA vanish. Yeah, that’s a “no shit” expectation.
I hope it comes with a cape.
I think you gotta be some kind of stupid to not know that Republicans would dearly love to entirely eliminate OSHA. If you’re in denial about this then you’re either an asshole or an imbecile, or more likely both. The Wisconsin Ash Wednesday Massacre is but one step on that journey. Get rid of the unions, then get rid of the minimum wage, then get rid of OSHA.
Just where the hell do you think the Republican ideals of:
Weakening/eliminating unions
Defunding/eliminating regulatory agencies
Will logically lead? Ideal working conditions for all? Increased safety?
Being of the opinion that unsafe/bad working conditions can never happen again if we remove current safeguards is nothing more than magical thinking.
Yeah, I got it.
And I agree.
Then get rid of the FDA, the Dept. of Labor, the EPA, the Dept. of Education, the Dept. of Energy…all of those little annoyances that the overlords don’t like. Bonus points for making sure the public schools only produce dim automatons who won’t ever question their proper rulers.
A few states are now looking to repeal child labor laws.
Cuz you know the damn commies are standing in the way of a proper market by keeping kids out of the work force. Bastards…
OK. And the Wisconsin legislature passing a law eliminating the ability of Wisconsin public employees to collectively bargain advances to goal of defunding OSHA… how?
Cite?
And even if I accept this as true without your having to reproduce the secret GOP meetings you are somehow privvy to… even then, you don’t contend that the Wisconsin vote result leads inevitably to the destruction of OSHA, do you?
Hey Bricker, take the blinders off. It’s a good look for you and all, but seeing only a tiny, narrow part of the argument is probably bad for you.
It is part of a larger republican assault.
Currently there are measures to kill unions, repeal child labor laws, restrict voting of young people and outright removal of elected representatives by fiat.
I am sure I am missing some but that is more than enough.
In short, it is a concerted effort by republicans to consolidate power among a few and not be bothered by pesky rules or laws.
…there’s nobody to complain when it happens? And please don’t say, “But the public will complain!” The majority of Wisconsin voters were against this bill and they passed it anyway.
Sure.
http://images.businessweek.com/ss/07/10/1014_office_collaborative/source/5.htm
Not seeing much union pressure there, nor any laws requiring ping pong tables. The company did that to make themselves more attractive to workers. Of their own free will.
A gratuitous assertion may, in debate, be equally gratuitously denied. It’s up to YOU to show the basis for any claim that eliminating OSHA is a Republican plan. Since it’s so obviously their goal, I’m sure there must be dozens of references to link to.
Ay, yet another canard.
This reverence you seem to have for the majority viewpoint – how far does it go? Because it sure seemed like the majority view didn’t mean shit when Prop 8 was being attacked in California.
The public has every right to complain, by voting out the dastardly legislators that did this in the next election.
Are you afraid they won’t do that?
Rick, you are NOT this stupid. Connect those dots. It’s not even just about collective bargaining. It’s about breaking the back of the unions completely.
Let me help you. Which party is supportive of OSHA, safety regulation, environmental regulation, etc.? The Democrats (generally…there is a corporatist wing of the Dems, too, but we’re simplifying for clarity here). Who is the largest supporter of Democrats among the 10 largest political donators? Unions. Destroy unions, destroy Democrats. Destroy Democrats, destroy OSHA, safety regulation, environmental regulation, etc.
40 years ago, there were actually Republicans who were for those things, too. Hell, RICHARD NIXON was for a lot of those things (even if they were more “go along with” than “sincere personal belief”). The Republican Party has changed in the last 40 years…even you have to admit that. In the last 17 years, they’ve gotten a lot more right-wing. In the last three years, they’ve gotten a lot crazier. Even relatively moderate Republicans have been voting in lockstep with their Bircher-level colleagues because they’re afraid of the jolly bunch of insane idiots with their signs and costumes, and the jolly bunch of ravening mercenaries with a microphone or tv camera. Olympia Snow, for gosh sakes, isn’t going to survive her primary fight next year. Nelson Rockefeller would have been ritually crucified at CPAC. If the Republicans didn’t make a cottage industry out of mythologizing Reagan, HE wouldn’t be right-wing enough for the modern GOP.
Frankly, my opinion is that the Republican party of today is the single worst party anyone who doesn’t make $500,000 a year could possibly vote for. Or, for that matter, the single worst party than anyone who isn’t white, male, Christian and straight, could possibly vote for.
What’s the overall argument? That there’s a vast movement of GOP force, that the majority of voters hate, but are too stupid to vote against when given the chance, and it plans to accomplish all these disconnected things?
Seriously – go ahead and lay out the big picture. Show me what I’m missing.
I’m pretty sure we won’t have to wait that long.
I’m not white. I don’t make $500,000 per year. Admittedly I’m Christian, male, and straight. My wife, when she becomes a citizen, will only fit “Christian” and “straight” and she will most assuredly vote GOP.
And it seems to me that the Log Cabin Republicans were the plaintiffs in the lawsuit that destroyed DADT. Their female plaintiffs don’t fit any category you name at all!
Gee, could it be that your opinion is simply that, and that people of good faith can disagree without being evil or stupid?
Yes the voters are too stupid to vote against them because they are worried about fags marrying somewhere.