Woman discovers her new live-in boyfriend used to cyber-stalk her. What to do?

Yes, this. It’s easy for us to consider him from the point of view of someone who isn’t in love with him, because we aren’t. But she is.

While I’m not a model or anything, I did find out, after we started dating, that my now-husband had been quite a fan for a while. Like, years. He can tell you outfits I wore that I don’t remember, conversations we had in passing that I’ve forgotten, and has more than a couple of pictures he took of me when we were hanging out with mutual friends/acquaintances that I thought at the time were group photos, but weren’t. If I didn’t think he was a really groovy guy with an inflamed romance gland, that would be pretty damn creepy. Since I’m rather fond of him myself at this point, I find it sweet.

It’s often said in a really annoying whine by self proclaimed “nice guys”, but it doesn’t make it any less true: The difference between a stalker and a romantic is whether she likes the guy back.

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Isn’t love hard enough to find with out these bull shit disqualifiers?

Hmmm. Tough one. Anytime there is a substantial imbalance of attraction/commitment it has massive “ick” potential. Of course, the sane and rational thing to do is hide the imbalance, try to be as much yourself as possible, and see what grows from there. The drama situation with the bullets is really a complication, frankly, and gets in the way of the real question.

The real question being: Has he been dishonest? Or, at least, dishonest in a way that was anything other than sane and rational? Is it possible to believe that he has not been twisting himself in knots, and using what he knows about her to pretend to be her perfect match? She’d have to review their time together and see if there was a noticeable lack of discord or differences. Was the personality she’d come to know a mishmash of trivia tidbits about her own likes and dislikes? Or was he open and honest about disliking some of her likes, and vice versa?

Another question she has to ask is why she fell in love with him? Was it because he was a selfless, altruistic hero willing to take a bullet for a complete stranger? Does her love have a different, more substantial basis now? Or does her not having been a stranger change the basis of her admiration for him? Also, it seems it would have been fairly simple to have said, there in the hospital as she thanked him “Well, actually, I’ve been a fan of yours for a long time.” Why didn’t he?

That’s why I don’t like the bullet bit. What if they were hometown acquaintances, and he had followed her career, and loved her from afar? Does putting himself in the way of seeing her again make him a wimp? Should he have just written her a letter telling her how he felt? Or is it a respectful, sane and rational way to just see whether this dream could come to fruition?

I had something slightly similar happen to me. I wasn’t famous, and there was no gunman involved. But a buddy from work invited me to a boxing event where an old acquaintance “turned out to be” fighting. Yeah, he had gotten me there on purpose because he knew his friend has been crushing on me for years. I didn’t know any of this until after we started dating. He later admitted to planning the event to impress me when he realized his buddy knew me at work.

I wasn’t weirded out by it, but that’s at least partly because he admitted it basically as soon as it could have been appropriate to do so. That’s a tough call to make, and I could see someone waiting too long to say it, then feeling stuck like it was too late to be anything but creepy.

The relationship was passionate and exciting but ultimately didn’t work for unrelated reasons. I always say though, of all the mistakes I’ve ever made, he was my absolute favorite.

I see the Spain bit as a positive there. Going to a place near her home and inserting himself in her daily routine would leave an everlasting creep shadow if things didn’t work out. Finding a way to “run into her” someplace away from her home is less creepy IMHO.

When my Grandfather died I went into his bedroom and checked out the drawers, closet etc. A friend had advised me to do so, in case there was pron in there; it would only hurt my Grandmother to find it, and possibly ruin her memories. (She snored, they slept in different rooms.) All I found were a stack of photos of my Grandmother in various bathing suits and dresses through the years. He loved that woman, and she was all he wanted to think about.

Creepy for me? Well, yeah, that’s my Grandma. But beautiful in its way, and so could Michaels feelings have been. Would you be less creeped out if he had a bunch of downloaded playboy bunnies on there?

As for the fapping, yeah, it’s an occupational hazard of being a woman. I don’t care who she is, or what she looks like, every woman has worked, ridden the bus, or bought coffee from someone who has fapped to her image at one point or another. If she’s a famous model, she has to know that the number of those increases in direct proportion to her fame and attractiveness. It’s one of those things that creeps you out for a while when you first realize it. Then you come to the realization that this is why Og invented privacy. Its only going to bother you if you are thinking about things that are none of your business.

I don’t see what the big deal is about the hundreds of pictures, given how quick and easy it is to download photos off the Web. If you are a fan of a particular porn star, you can download hundreds of pictures of that porn star before breakfast one morning. That’s hardly evidence of obsession; it’s really evidence of convenience.

The notion that this says something about his obsession over her that flying to Spain to try to have a ‘chance’ meeting with her doesn’t, is really pretty silly.

Also, I’d agree with some of the others here in that I’d hardly describe what he did as cyber-stalking. Up until his trip to Spain, he was a devoted (OK, maybe somewhat obsessed) fan, and nothing more.

She had a web presence that was aimed at the wider public rather than just her family and friends, and he kept tabs on her life (and her pix) via that web presence. AFAWK, he’d never tried to follow her around IRL before that trip, or tried to use the resources of the Internet to get hold of every public record relating to her, or anything like that. There was no stalking going on. He followed her blog. That’s all.

I mean, I’ve been reading Duncan ‘Atrios’ Black’s blog for >11 years, and have surely read >98% of what he’s written during that time. Does that mean I’m cyberstalking him? Would it become cyberstalking if I tried to meet him at Netroots Nation one year? The only difference I can see is that I don’t beat off to Atrios’ blog, but that’s because it’s not that sort of blog.

That could be. I was commenting about the effort he put in though. So if he went into hock to get to Spain that’s kind of worrisome. Instead of the local coffee shop it could be compared to driving 20 miles to see her work the Boat Show or something like that.

I think this could go either way depending on all the details. And keeping the flash drive could just be an oversight. Michael could be anything from a little OCD to a full out nut job. She ought to have some sense of it by now.

I hope I have a good alibi when a certain popular guitarist passes away, because if an investigator checks my hard drive, they’ll find over 610 mp3 of his songs.

Michael could have said that he collected the downloads after they met. He decided to tell Heather the truth and she’s going to punish him for being honest with her. Did Michael go to Madrid specifically to meet her there or did he have other reasons to go there and just jiggled his calendar so their visits would coincide?

I wouldn’t call what Michael did stalking, per se. None of the information that he had gotten about her wasn’t stuff that she hadn’t made publicly available. Really, when you get down to it, it’s not all that different from perhaps having some pictures and other publicly available information of any random celebrity. I wouldn’t call it cyber-stalking unless someone actually starts trying to find stuff that may not be intended for public eyes, perhaps trying to track down her personal facebook rather than her professional one, learning stuff about her friends and family, perhaps impersonating them to learn extra info, or trying to get into her email or other private correspondence or data.

That said, even if I wouldn’t call what he did cyber-stalking, it’s still obsessive, especially if he made a special trip with the hopes of meeting her. I’d have to wonder what his plan might have been if those terrorists hadn’t attacked, because it sounds like their relationship is based on something similar to the Nightingale Effect. Would she be with him if he hadn’t save her? If he had gone through the trouble to meet her, how much of what she thinks they have in common is ACTUALLY stuff they have in common, or has he been putting on an act pretending to be who he thought she’d want? If it’s really authentic, how can she be sure it was? And if it wasn’t, how can she be sure she’s in love with him and not who he was pretending to be? He’s had plenty of time to come clean to her without having to be discovered, it definitely should have come up before they moved in together. OTOH, they have had several months together, and it’s got to be difficult or nearly impossible to keep a perfect facade that whole time. Maybe those experiences can give her insight into how authentic he’s been and if they’re actually compatible.

Regardless, it’s a breach of trust. I don’t think it’s inherently a deal breaker by itself. After all, anyone who is a celebrity and dates someone who isn’t is probably going to have some kind of imbalance with their non-famous SO may well have had a crush on them for months or years prior to meeting face to face. So, I suspect that’s something that celebrities have to wade through that most normal people don’t. She should at least give it some serious though, as people going out that far out of their way to meet someone famous is usually a bad sign. I’m inclined to think she should break up with him, but it’d be hard for her to find a guy that didn’t know who she was, or at least recognize her, so I couldn’t fault her if she didn’t, if she felt there was something real there.

So this is from a guy’s perspective:

I wouldn’t mind having someone obsessed with me as my SO. Its obvious he can fake being normal, and if his interests that align with hers are genuine, its not a big deal to me that he stalked me. If I put myself out there, I will expect a certain amount of people who take way too much interest in me. Women get this, men less so, and the fear is that it will eventually, inevitably turn into something bad. Maybe he’ll be super jealous, maybe he’ll overreact to slights or decreases in affection, maybe he’ll be paranoid and want to keep you to himself in pieces.

What I do know is that he likes me a lot and would put himself in harms way to save me. I think that should count for something. I’ll take the chance that things will go sour, but better to have it happen with someone you know likes you than someone who you have no idea how they think.

As for the discovery, I would say that its a little disturbing, but he has me now and we can take more pictures together. I’d tell him as a condition of me not breaking up with him, he has to hand over the pictures. He has to trust that I’ll stay with him if I’m going to trust that he won’t suddenly turn crazy

So, he’s a groupie? Kind of?

What you describe is somewhere in between stalker and groupie. I don’t really blame him for being low-key and not fan-slobbering all over her at the beginning; that shows self-awareness, actually. Would it be better if he had mentioned it at the beginning, or sent her fan-mail over the years?

I can’t say that she’s wrong to be bugged by it if she is bugged. That’s up to her personal perspective and desires. But from the OP, this guy doesn’t sound like an objective menace.

Well, Sam Lowry made some good points. Hmm.

In her shoes I might be OK with it, but I’d definitely have a thing there to use to tar him if I soured on him, too. Hmmm.

Well, also, HE might discover he’s not in a relationship with the idealized model he fell for, but a real person with faults and stuff.

It’s interesting what the modern world throws up.

I think people are applying old thinking to new situations - as indicated by ‘cyber stalking’ which as a phrase is instantly judgemental and negative.

He was interested enough to check her out and hang around where she hung around - I did that a lot as a teenager in pubs and clubs, dragging my mates among as they did me.

If they’re happy, who cares. Chill out.

Nude pics, even vids, of one’s SO are not uncommon things to have, just ask Jennifer Lawrence or Scarlett Johannsen.

I think he’s a reformed fan. I don’t think anything he’s done rises to the level of stalking. Any more detailed analysis would need a lot more detail about their current relationship.

I have trouble with your definition of cyberstalking. Cyberstalking would be if someone were to follow me around from site to site. Or maybe finding out her real name and watching over every thing she does online. It’s maybe commenting on everything to excess. It’s not merely saving pictures.

And, no, I don’t see a problem with keeping them. She’s going to look different. You’re not necessarily going to be able to replace them in quality or anything. Keeping pics is fine.

AS for the Madrid thing–did he expect her to fall in love with him? Did he intentionally track her down while in Madrid? Or did he just do what a lot of fans do and go near where she’s either publicly said or rumors said she would be and hope he’d be able to run into her and get an autograph?

I still see the issue of never telling her this–barring Bricker’s exemption. I see a lying issue if he never let her know he knew she was in porn or that he was a big fan.

I really don’t see a problem with “I’m a fan, heard you were going to be in the area, and hoped I’d get an autograph.” It happens all the time. It’s not the same as the stalking you see on TV with private individuals. Stalking celebrities takes more than hoping to run into them one time.

It wasn’t porn, it was art! How dare you talk about my obsessive love that way!