Isn’t personally attacking a participant one dem logical fallacies I hear the kids talk about?
Gun ownership is common. Why risk a bullet?
Cops don’t eff around. They are alert and on guard, including hand near weapon, no matter how minor the incident. Cops die on simple traffic stops, so they proceed with their safety as a higher concern than your comfort level.
I don’t know what a local council is, but I can tell from the rest of your writing you are not in the United States. Things (neighbor relations, policing, courts, etc) are different in different places. Along with that, with all due respect, I have a hard time believing that anyone can really “get” the unique racial issues and history we have enough to come to a “not racism” conclusion.
Every thing you said applies to “civilians,” too. We all take risks. We are all going to die and many of us in unpredictable ways. I guess we all should pack heat and stand at the ready because life is just dangerous and we should all approach everyone based on fear. FWIW, what you say doesn’t apply to all cops. Some of them let their guards down and participate in their communities. I’m not saying they should all be shooting hoops or taking up boxing while on duty or anything, but not all them play into this paranoid “us versus them” killing machine thing you’ve described. And I’ve had to deal with cops over 20 times over the past 2 years due to a mental illness in my family, and my experiences have run the gamut. Most of the guys are pretty casual in their approach.
I hope you are not suggesting that everyday civilians face dangerous situations with the same frequency and density as police officers.
Cops might get casual once they have assessed the situation, but we are talking about seconds into an incident. The public has this strange delusion that cops should subjectively determine how dangerous a situation is in mere seconds.
Probably. Policing hasn’t gotten more dangerous, the police have. It was an oft-cited statistic that 98% of law enforcement never had to fire their weapons over the course of their career. There’s hasn’t been a spike in LEO deaths (overall, deaths have been decreasing since the 1970s) but they’re much more likely to shoot someone in recent years.
On this topic, a similar incident’s civil suit was resolved recently. FL sheriff’s deputies shot and killed someone in his garage after responding to a noise complaint. The family filed a wrongful death suit and was awarded $4 by the jury - one dollar for funeral expenses and one dollar for each of his three now-fatherless children. This contemptuous act was compounded by the judge, who over-rode the ruling to give the family nothing.
Why the lawsuit? According to the deputies, the man was armed and apparently when he shut his garage door on them they assumed he was going to shoot them through the door, so they fired four shots into the door first, hitting him once in the head and twice center mass. The family’s lawyer counters that while the homeowner had a gun, it was in his back pocket and unloaded, not in his hand. According to the sheriff’s office, he likely put the gun in his back pocket after being shot in the head, and the jury agreed. :smack:
Maybe they don’t care if someone who’s not like them gets hassled by law enforcement. Maybe they have a standing grudge against their neighbor and this gives them a cost-free opportunity to make their life a little worse. Maybe they don’t care if their neighbor is hauled off to prison as yet another casualty in the War on Drugs that’s been ongoing for half a century now. Maybe they don’t care if their neighbor is shot dead in their own home by an unaccountable, trigger-happy, over-militarized police force.
You’re right. In fact, that’s what they really should be teaching in Civics & Government classes in schools as the de facto American credo. Fuck all that e pluribus unum, “justice for all”, “home of the brave” bullshit.
Pathetic.
You should ask your neighbor to turn the music down if the music is borderline loud and perhaps the neighbor doesn’t realize he or she is disturbing others. If the music is just blasting then you’re already dealing with a belligerent prick, so it’s a police matter. And those who say noise complaints aren’t serious have never worked a night job. If I’m jarred awake by super loud music, I’m not getting dressed and going outside. I’m making a phone call. And in that moment, a part of me hopes the asshole gets shot.
Yay! You can join Steophuckface as a group of now 2 people who think people who play loud music should be shot.
What is wrong with you?
Yes, we all want to be like you.
For Halloween.
Maybe you’ve heard of all the police officer shootings across the US? I’d imagine that any sane person would go into ANY interaction with their guard up. THAT is a product of how far I feel this society has fallen.
I’m not going to judge upon who’s shoulder’s blame lies. There is blame for all
As most of the rest of this thread, I see nothing wrong/biased/race based AT ALL in the interaction. What I do see is a cry baby who has found a voice in the cry of race. Much like wolf.
If it continues, it will carry no weight.
About how many police officers have been shot this year? 100s? 1000s?
“Defending the poor and oppressed”? This woman is a doctor, and her oppression consists of having a cop tell her to turn that shit down because it is bothering the neighbors.
If you wanna proof-text, I got a verse for you. Matthew 23:1-5.
Regards,
Shodan
It does concern me, especially that the police shot that I see most of the time are in ambush style attacks. They don’t have a chance to have their guard up in an interaction, they are sitting there in a restaurant, in their squad car, and then, BAM! they are shot dead.
I do not see how escalating and being more confrontational and fearful in interactions with civilians will improve their chances of evading an ambush attack, but, given the frustration that people feel about abuses of police powers in mistreating civilians, I certainly see how it increases the chances of one.
Even if it is the case that civilian safety is a far lower priority than officer safety, their actions are increasing the danger to themselves and to their fellow officers, not decreasing them.
If adaher is wrong, I don’t want to be Right!
In your mind, if you knew of 1, would that change your stance?
Quite a rise from previous years.
You should provide the police with a pamphlet explaining such things to them so they can change their S.O.P.
A loud neighbor is generally a person with poorer impulse control. This is the single biggest factor in criminal violence. It’s probably best to call the police for noise complaints.
In NYC, 311 calls are for noise complaints. A recent analysis showed a larger number of complaints along the borders of ethnically divided neighborhoods. It could be racism or a lack of appreciation for another culture’s music tastes.