I like it.
Well, at least we know what The Chronicle of Higher Education Thinks is wrong with men: we’re simply genetically inferior.
Perhaps that explains why Women Now 33% More Likely Than Men to Earn College Degrees.
This is silly. I’m a white male. By your link, the target of these types of slights and yet I do not feel the least bit injured by them. What’s more, I have met exactly the types of people described by these insults and you know what?.. They are absolutely fitting. In fact, I’ve called people douchebags, neckbeards, fuckboys (man-slut), and various other insulting terms. Not because they are white and privileged, but because they were WELL DESERVED.
Look, misogyny AND misandry exist. No reasonable person would disagree. Neither position is right or defensable. Men and women who express these views are the extreme, not the norm and as such should be exposed and ridiculed as warranted, like any racist of any stripe would be.
The question is, what is it about you that makes you believe yourself to be the victim of such insults compared to the majority who are able to dismiss them as being directed at those who are actually deserving of the term due to their own behaviour?
Boy, us men are pretty damn awesome. Despite all the manpression and manscrimination, we still somehow claw our way to the tops of most organization, are vastly over-represented in politics and at high levels of business and almost every other field, make more money with the same experience than women, and more.
Are there men or women that you personally know in your life that believe this or would take this seriously or are these boogeymen that you’re cherry picking?
I’ve used most of those words too. And worse. And I’ve also called female people crazy bitches, disloyal whores, money grubbing gold-diggers, airheadede bimbos, dirty sluts and skanks and various other insulting terms – because they were WELL DESERVED. Just as long as we’re all ok with what’s good for the gander is good for the goose.
…invent most things, engineer most things, build most things, mine, drill, ship and freight most things, discover most things and most places. One way and another we men seem to manage to make ourselves useful to the species.
But what that’s telling us (and your sarcastic tirade above is telling us) is that the highest achievers in all fields are overwhelmingly men. What it doesn’t say is anything at all about the lot of the average man - which I should think concerns over “manspression” and “manscrimination” are largely about.
We sure have become some whiny motherfuckers, though, haven’t we?
You patriarchal misogynist! It’s fatherfuckers!
It doesn’t tell us anything except what the rates were in the last 12 months, as compared to lifetime rates. We can’t really infer any kind of a long-term trend over multiple years from just looking at data for a single year.
In fact, the article does say what those numbers represent:
So your interpretation is a little off. The chart indicates that in the study there were 1686 men who were victims of IPV violence by women, and 6139 women who were victims of IPV violence by men. The 97.2% verses 88.8% statistic represents the prevalence of specifically physical violence among those victims. In other words, there were 1639 men (92.7% of 1686) who were physically abused by female partners, and 5451 women (88.8% of 6139) who were physically abused by male partners.
Which indicates that are significantly more men inflicting physical violence on female partners than women inflicting physical violence on male partners, which is exactly what I said in post #268.
? Why are you ascribing the opinions expressed by an anthropology professor named Melvin Konner in the article in your link to the Chronicle of Higher Education itself?
The Chronicle published that article in its “Opinion and Ideas” department under Chronicle Review. As the name indicates, that department is for opinion pieces and reviews concerning debatable ideas. If you look at some of the other articles published there, you’ll see equally disputed or provocative statements. Do you believe that the Chronicle of Higher Education as an institution officially thinks they’re all true?
As a Libertarian, I believe that the problems caused by offensive speech can be solved by more offensive speech.
Sure. Why not. As Dane Cook said, “…every Karen is a douchebag.”. It’s true in my experience thus far but I don’t know all the Karens and I’m sure there are a few exceptions.
Tru dat.
Here’s the thing. Most people can separate a joke from a real insult. Even the phrase, “Men are such babies”, which is commonly enough repeated, has some truth in it. Men can often act immature in certain situations (e.i. sick, beaten in sports, denied sex, etc.). Women have their own idiosyncratic tendencies. So even if in jest or anger someone says, “Bitches… whacha gonna do?” It’s virtually never meant as an insult to every single female walking the planet at that very moment.
In short. Stop focusing on every slight (real or in jest) that comes in your general direction and grow a thicker skin.
Camille good job tracking all this down. So “Women against Feminism” is actually a “grassroots” movement started by people deeply involved in the MRA? I am very definitely not surprised that LinusK brought this forward. In fairness, although I no longer believe in the veracity of these women, I do believe some women feel this way. Which is why, as several people have stated, it is impossible to argue that Feminism is a monolith. It is too large and fractured.
Btw, i love that a feminine hygiene product is a “mansult.”
The URL contained “theonion”, and it also said “The Onion” at the top of the page. You probably could have figured it out yourself if you’d tried, but believe me, I was happy to be the one to point it out.
Do you think that all those jokes/insults get the same reaction, though? If someone says “bitches, whacha gonna do”, and a woman says that’s out of line, does anyone tell her to grow a thicker skin?
Frequently. Do you really think that women who protest against sexist slurs don’t constantly hear “it’s just a joke”, “lighten up”, “geez, who pissed in your Cheerios?”, “bitches got no sense of humor, amirite?”, and various other dismissive or trivializing nonpologies?
Mind you, as a woman and a feminist, I’m personally in the “two wrongs don’t make a right” camp on this one. I don’t like the use of gender stereotypes or gendered body parts as insults, whichever gender we’re talking about.
(Genital effluvia, blemishes or hygienic refuse are fair game regardless of gender, though: e.g., “twat” and “cock” are sexist insults but “cumstain”, “twatdribble”, and “dickpimple” are not, in my rulebook. I hope everybody is taking notes on this, as there will be a quiz.)
That said, I think the principle of gender equality doesn’t require us to deny that there’s a lot of traditional gender inequality out there, and consequently differently gendered slurs used by speakers of different genders have different levels of impact.
I suppose those things are said to women, but when they are they’re considered to be dismissive and trivializing. When they’re said to men it’s with an aura of “check your privilege”.
It’s all very complicated, and no one can be said to speak authoritatively (or be held accountable) for either side, but there are subtle dynamics and the occasional double standard.
I agree that sometimes happens, and I don’t think it’s fair. I do think there needs to be a way to point out gently that someone may need to check their privilege, but gendered insults are not it.
For example, there are some men who fit the stereotype of expecting a lot of nurturing and attention when sick but taking it for granted that their wives will just carry on with their usual workload if they get sick. But if a guy happens to be doing that, saying “Men are such babies” to him is not the way to handle it.
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Yup. There is no question that traditional power disparities (who’s “punching up” and who’s “punching down”) have sometimes led to women unfairly being given a pass on incivility or aggression directed at men. And as I said, that’s bad for both men and women.