Did another PUG, this time Hellfire Ramparts . First boss we kill drops this lovely piece of mail armor. Now, the group was 2 Death Knights, 1 Paladin, 1 Druid, and me, the Hunter. Everyone rolled Greed; I rolled Need. Why not? It’s pretty obviously Hunter armor, and nobody else could use mail anyway.
Immediately after, the party leader whispered me asking if I’m going to ninja the loot. Well, first, who’s going to say yes to that? :rolleyes: Okay, yes, I hadn’t announced I’d roll Need, but neither had the leader laid down any loot rules. I’m sorry I deprived a random group member of the vendor price of 3 gold and 86 silver.
I did tell him I’d pass on all the rest of the loot, and I made good on that. I only wanted the quest anyway; it’s just that a nice Hunter piece happened to drop. He got his Hellreaver anyway, so it’s all good. (I guess he was worried I’d steal that from him. It’s not even that good for a Hunter.)
By the way, I promise I won’t start blogging every PUG I happen to play in here. This is just the first couple of times I’ve done it, and it’s weird playing with people I don’t really trust and who don’t trust me.
Trust me, I got killed and sent to this same graveyard five times in a row. The first time I was sent there I didn’t know the way out of the graveyard (I’d love to have a few words with the person(s) responsible for the placement of graveyards in Ashenvale), so I spent a good amount of time putzing around in wisp form trying to find the exit. If those mobs were “see-able”, I woulda seen 'em. It wasn’t until I actually got killed right there and had my corpse present that I could finally see them (and also see that the route out of the GY is choked with giant spiders). The wolf’s wandering path never never takes him out of sight of the GY, though the spider’s does.
Yup. Unfortunately, at lvl 21 a druid still only has three offensive spells - Entangling Roots, Moonfire, and Nature’s Wrath. And, admittedly, I haven’t yet mastered making optimum use of my bear and cat forms. Particularly the way I’m virtually changing classes mid-fight. Start out as a DPS caster, then turn into a prot-spec warrior or a rogue. It’s all a bit confusing
This is the basic principle I was trying to go by. The problem is that I really only have time to root one of them. It’s pointless to root the warlock, since it doesn’t stop him from casting (and he never runs up to me anyway), so I root the voidwalker and then work on killing the warlock. But I still take all the damage the warlock can dish out before he dies, and by that time the roots on the voidwalker have expired, and now I’ve got to try to soak up the beating he dishes out while I try to kill him. I could root him again, and have tried that, but then I’m left without enough mana to finish him off. Then I have to add in the fact that after each combat vs 'lock and pet I have to stop and drink. All that time spent drinking translates eventually into time for the mobs I killed to start respawning :mad:
The imps go down pretty easy, usually 1-2 hits. I may actually be a bit overgeared - most of my gear came from the AH and each item was better than the quest reward item or “found” item it replaced.
No - please continue! I love hearing people’s random pug stories. It’s like a nice little slice-of-life, and usually funny!
My last few pug experiences have been unusually positive (I’ve been playing my lowbie druid a bit, who is now level 28) so I haven’t had anything to complain about myself. Though we had a huntard in the last group in RFK (Razor Fen Kraul), which was pretty funny. She mentioned several times that the Paladin (who was tanking, and doing a great job) shouldn’t be the tank as he had to use mana to tank.
Never mind that the Paladin wanted to tank, and again, was doing a great job, and the hunter was shooting at things before the paladin could reach them to establish aggro…
Wuh…? Wow. That’s an interesting bit of illogic I’ve yet to see. I wonder what El Hunterino thinks her blue bar is.
The PUG was fun enough, at least. It was an AOE frenzy. The Pally was doing a fine job tanking, so I was happily letting loose with my AOE on the trash mobs. It was great fun watching them melt away under the combined weight of a Pally, two DKs, and a Hunter. (And while I know damage meters are as useful an indicator as post counts here, I was pleased to see I was coming up second in Recount. :D)
Yeah, you were the only person who could use the piece, but they didn’t know you weren’t just going to roll Need on everything. It’s good PUG etiquette to always ask before rolling Need on an item, even if you’re the only one who can use it.
Oh, and whoever it was who was complaining about people not getting off their flyers to talk to the Midsummer NPCs…
I got to re-do my fires after the reset, and I had no problem talking to the NPCs without dismounting and without covering them up. So the problem is definitely assholes who park on top of NPCs, and not the fact that they’re mounted.
Meh. I don’t think you should feel too bad. If the item is an actual upgrade, and the fact that the group didn’t lay out loot rules before starting, they don’t have reason to be upset with you, IMO.
Laying out loot rules ahead of time is never a bad idea, but that doesn’t change that it’s only polite (and good sense) to warn people that you’re about to push a button that will send an item straight to you. Of course, I come out of a very old-school style of looting, where everyone was expected to pass on everything and then /roll for it if they needed it.
I am polite too. As we know, there are many many people that learned and prefer the game with differing loot (and other social) rules. (This is why I would ask first, as well.)
However… comma… for a group leader to expect all the players they gather together to be able to read his/her mind is slightly into unreasonable territory, IMO.
If I were the group leader, and Bosstone did what he did, I would have said “Ooops. My bad. I forgot to mention this: Let’s all “pass” on loot, and discuss need, please?”
Instead, Bosstone’s leader dropped the N-for-Ninja word. He was blaming Bosstone for something that is the leader’s job to do (lay out the group roles and loot rules).
(This applies to roles each player is expected to perform, like Main Tank, as well.)
Well, as I alluded to, I think he was just scared I’d take his Hellreaver from him. The only thing he mentioned about loot as we were going into the instance was that he wanted to roll Need on the Hellreaver if it dropped, and he’d’ve been ticked if I stole it. Of course, if I’d rolled Greed with everyone else on the Hunter mail and lost, I’d’ve been sour for the rest of the instance myself. I’m not feeling too bad about what I did, although I recognize I made a faux pas in not communicating well. After all, it’s not like I wasn’t contributing; I was doing as much off-tanking with my bear as I could, and like I said my DPS was pretty high (although not everyone is necessarily running Recount to know that).
I never said that people needed to be mind readers–just that it’s **always **polite (and a good idea, if you want to keep inviting to group with fun people) to ask and/or warn before you roll Need on an item. Would someone be justified in getting all pissy at a Hunter for rolling on DPS mail when there’s not another Hunter or Enh Shammy in the group? No. Would they be justified in checking to make sure that the person isn’t just going to roll Need on everything that drops? Absolutely yes.
Plus, what happens when an item drops that two people can use? What if the person is a moron who doesn’t know what they can and can’t equip or what stats are good for them (consider the Pally who snagged a great 1H sword from someone earlier in the thread so they could “dual wield” with it)? Asking before clicking Need offers the opportunity for discussion–it’s just a good habit to get into.
Erm, I’m not necessarily saying you did wrong here, but… Did the tank *ask *you do do it? Or were you having your pet chase down stray adds that were hammering on the healer? Assistance is good if and when the tank wants it (or if the tank is so horrible at their job that it’s clearly necessary to prevent a wipe), but if not, you can screw their positioning all to hell, lower the DPS on mobs that need to go down first, prevent them from maintaining threat on all the mobs so that if you lose the one you’re OTing it heads for you or a healer, etc.
I get what you’re saying, and I did get overzealous at times (at one point we finished a fight and I found I was at half health). Several of the larger spawns in the Ramparts consist of several melee enemies plus a caster. The tank was able to pull in the melee fighters and build aggro on them easily enough, but the caster stayed well out of Consecration range, so I threw my bear at them when I could so the tank could focus on the meleers. Pets have natural spell resistance and all, so they’re not bad for that.
The Ramparts isn’t a terribly difficult instance, with no special tactics needed other than for the final boss, and the only tactic there is ‘the tank needs to face the boss away from the rest of the group’. The only thing I was primarily concerned about was not stealing general aggro from the tank (I don’t have a Ferocity pet, so I just turned Growl off on my bear), but otherwise we just steamrolled through the place.
I agree. I’ve had folks claiming “need” because they want to vendor something to help pay for their mount. But that’s not what happened in Bosstone’s case. I am only saying this leader was a douche.
The leader was clearly only interested in getting a weapon for themself, according to Boostone, and worried about being ninja’d:
Leader forms group with the sole goal of helping the leader get a weapon for himself. Leader tells group up front: “I want the Axe that drops from so-and-so.” Ok so far. Bosstone rolls “need” on some other item, an item I am assuming was an upgrade for Bosstone, and the leader whispers: “so, are you going to ninja the loot (axe)?”. What an Ass.
The “ninja” word sets me off here, I’ll admit. Leader said nada about rolls on other stuff. Why drop the “N” word? Drop it after the loot rules were clearly broken.
If you’re a hunter in a PUG, and some hunter mail drops that nobody else can use, then I see no reason why you can’t roll need on it and just take it. It’s useful to you as actual loot, where it’s only useful to everyone else as enchanting mats or vendor trash.
A weapon that others can use is a little different, but since it’s a PUG I see no reason why everyone who can just it can just need it. Especially Ramps gear that’s going to be replaced in a few levels anyway, even if it’s blue.
It’s like a nice little slice-of-life, and usually funny!
