Yeah, there are probably cases where they might look more closely, but I think they get far more requests regarding Buzzard Bites than they do Dirge’s Kickin’ Chimaerok Chops. 
I fuckin’ hate when douchebags do that. There’s a lot of dungeons that are ridiculously hard to find the entrances to, and having only two toons, one Alliance and one Horde, I quite often become lost. Instead of, you know, helping you find the entrance they keep on grinding through it, and when you finally find the entrance all the mobs have respawned so you’re screwed anyway. And sometimes they have the gall to get mad at you for not waiting for a rez. I can understand when we’re almost done and we want to get it over with, but if we’re still fairly early into the dungeon I want to find the entrance for future instances. I’m not talking level 80 raids here, I’m talking about level 25 instances. Have a little mercy here people.
Two things:
1.) Glyphs vendor for so little that deposit charges are negligible.
2.) Run an auction-tracking program and see what each potential glyph is worth on the market. When I was leveling Inscription on my DK, at almost every level there was some orange recipe that was worth much more than the others.
He couldn’t have been taunting them all; the CD’s too long. Probably just body pulling them. Which only works if no one heals you. Which he clearly didn’t tell the healer not to do.
Well *there’s *your problem. Anybody who has a permanent ghoul has no idea how to put together a DK tanking build.
Why do you think that? You just came in the wrong entrance the second time. The first boss is in fact right in the first room after the main entrance. (You come down the ramp or jump into the water, and then he’s in an alcove off the room full of level 1 snakes.)
If someone’s on another server, they can’t lead you back to the instance portal from the GY. As soon as you leave the dungeon, dead or alive, you’re back to your separate versions of the world. And even before the RDF, it was SOP in a five-man to wait for a rez if there was a rezzer left alive. Quick recovery from deaths benefits everyone. If you want to find the entrance to an instance, do it on your own time; don’t expect your group to appreciate being asked to twiddle their thumbs for fifteen minutes or half an hour while you go exploring.
So as I’m looking at the Gundrak instance map, is the “first” entrance the one on the left or the right? I’m guessing the one on the right, since that’s closest to the Den of Sseratus. I was thinking “in-progress” because I had only been in the group about five minutes before the wipe, and after coming back in and seeing everybody clear on the other side, I was thinking there was no way we’d gotten that far (of course, at the time not knowing there were two entrances). But if I came in the wrong entrance, that explains that. I’m going to have to do some reconnaissance to locate the other entrance one of these times. I haven’t had to worry about it until now because previous Gundrak runs have all gone very smoothly with deaths being rare (and certainly no trash wipes). Anyway, all somebody needed to say was “You came in the wrong entrance - go to the other one” and I would have figured it out and caught up in no time. Instead, all I heard was “you’re in the wrong place”. Reminds me of one of my e-mail sig quotes:
“It’s always easier in the long run to point people to where they need to go, instead of just telling them they aren’t in the right place.” – Heather King
And I hate those level 1 snakes. Nothing like firing off a Judgement and having it wasted on one of them because I didn’t click-target before casting :smack:
ding to 57, but i’m away from home visiting my parents this weekend so no WoW. Then just 6 days home before a week in Moscow with no access… 
I remember when I first started playing WoW and went to visit my parents (who did not have broadband access) I would go across the street and play on my laptop using McDonald’s WiFi
Doesn’t Moscow have internet cafes? C’mon get creative!
Moscow region would be more accurate! good hour or so out of thecentre. Anyways I don’t have a laptop which would run WoW. Im a desktop man.
I know they can’t leave, but even instructions like ‘the entrance isn’t where your corpse shows, on your mini-map a little south of where your corpse shows there should be a mountain range that looks like Italy, go to the tip and there’s a windmill, entrance is in there’ helps.
And sorry, but I’ve been in instances where I don’t even know which continent they’re on. This is the exact attitude that made me take so long to play the game. It’s the difference between the tank shouting ‘you asshole, you killed us all because you’re an idiot who left Growl on your damn pet’ and a whisper saying ‘are you new? it’s good to take Growl off your pet in a dungeon because it takes aggro away from the tank’.
I’m not talking about doing 10-man Heroics here. :rolleyes:
You may want to consider trying the new My Little Pony & Friends MMO. More maturity there. :dubious:
Oh come on, it’s common fucking courtesy to not go off on someone for a mistake or not knowing some detail. Yeah, you can bitch about it in guild chat or this thread about your +crit leather geared DK tank (I won’t lie, if I got a couple of the newbies in this thread and didn’t know them, I’d probably have a nice rant in /g), but unless the person in question is already being an asshole it only brings out the worst stereotypes of gamers when you call someone a moron to their face. I have to admit, except for the horror that is trade chat (which singlehandedly proves the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory), I’ve very rarely, edging on never, seen the sort of retarded* stuff I’ve heard coming from the TVs of people playing Call of Duty where “cocksucker,” “faggot,” and “nigger” have to be uttered more often than the word “and.” However, there’s always room for improvement and being more courteous can do nothing but improve the community and (possibly even more importantly) help combat the notion that all gamers (ESPECIALLY MMO players) are morally repulsive socially stunted manchild losers which is becoming more and more pervasive.
That’s not to say I don’t agree with Bullet (SFG, you have a [probably not-so] new nickname because I always write your acronym as SMG) about exploring on your own time; but being an asshole to a newbie causes way more problems than it solves.
Kushiel - there are many sources to help you find instance entrances, WoWiki usually has pictures of the dungeon entrance, as well as instructions on how to get there. It may be helpful for you to look up some of the instances and read those little parts of their entries for the instances you’re currently running.
- Very much aware of the hypocrisy, thanks.
ETA: Unless I totally misinterpreted your post shinto, in which case I’m very sorry.
+1
I am new to the game, and if i get abuse in an instance for a simple mistake i have made as tank, i drop out of the party. I am more than happy tio be told what mistake I have made and why it was stupid, but a rant of swear words and I am gone and you can wait for a tank more to your liking.
On the map the “front” entrance is on the right. I’m not sure if that was designed to be the place to start but that’s the door we always went in back when people actually travelled to dungeons and that’s where you start on a random run. The “back” entrance is the one nearest the graveyard so people go in there pretty often after they die. It’s not tough to find when you are alive. It’s just across the way from the “front”.
The thing to remember about random dungeons is that if you go in the wrong entrance it’s not a big deal. Just use the “Teleport Out Of Dungeon” feature (on the bottom left side of the minimap) and then teleport back. That will take you to the entrance your random started at. Unfortunately you can’t do this while you are dead and hunting for a door… any door.
Grats – 1 level to go until Outland what bad timing…
Two Hunter stories from last night that made me chuckle though one is a bit sad really.
Firstly we’re in Azjol-Nerub and fighting the last boss when this comes up in chat quite early in the fight:
[Hunter]: <Tank> you just killed my dog
Now I was spamming flash of light while avoiding spikes so didn’t exactly see what had happened but I had noticed the hunters pet had died quite quickly. Then the following exchange occurred, all this while fighting the boss:
[Mage]: Good now your dps will be more realistic 
[Mage]: nerf Hunters I say!
[Tank]: You want me to try and scrape him up?
[Warrior]: Ahh poor doggy have some flowers [casts lifebloom]
[Hunter]: Right if that’s how it is I’ll melee dps! [runs in to melee]
After the fight the hunter recalls his pet and to a man/dwarf/space goat we all pet the thing. I love groups like this.
Second run was Utgarde Keep and we had just killed the last boss when in chat:
[DK]: Grats hunter!
Which I thought was odd, no achievement had been announced then I noticed that the Drake Mounted Crossbow had dropped which even I know is a sweet hunter bow. The roll is, erm, rolled and the rogue gets it! He promptly drops group just as the rest of us were telling him to give it to the hunter. Then this pops up in chat:
[Hunter] What bow?
The hunter hadn’t even rolled Need on the thing! Huntards you say?
For me I finally hit 450 Balcksmithing, the price of titanium bars has dropped like a stone on my server.
After considering it for a long time, I’m finally going to drop my Shadow off-spec for Disc. This will give me greater raid flexibility, especially in fights like Saurfang where I’ve struggled keeping one or two main targets alive.
- Can someone link me to the recommended 3.3 Disc spec?
- What do I need to know about healing as Disc vs. Holy? I know PW:Shield will be my bread and butter, but I already pretty much keep the tank shielded as much as possible. PoM looks important, but I already use that on every cooldown as well. PoH is there, and Penance – are those the main healing tools for Disc? I think I understand that while Holy is about healing damage, Disc is more about mitigating damage, is that right?
- Is my holy gear sufficient for healing in Disc as an off-spec? It probably has more spirit than I would need (over 1000) and I’m worried about the lack of spellpower due to not having Spiritual Guidance.
Any Disc priests who can give me some advice?
My Disc Priest is stuck in her 20s but a guildy recommended these guides to me when I asked a similar question: http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?57156-WotLK-Disc-Priest-Guide and Discipline FAQ | Spot Heal
Disc healer here - I typically follow whatever the Elitist Jerks main priest healing thread has to say on the subject.
One big change may be that you might have too much haste. They recommend no more than 11% haste. You proc a haste-ing talent called Borrowed Time whenever you use Power Word: Shield (which will be often), so more haste is wasteful. Use that to speed up GHeal (tank) or PoHealing (group). Penance is a new fun spell and will be a big healer for you. Insta-cast channeled heal which can be used as an attack if you’re bored.
The cooldown on PW:S is great, too. You’ll find yourself wanting to bubble the whole group. 
I’m no Priest-specialist, but I always take a look at this site for talent builds:
http://www.talentchic.com Which shows popular builds (not necessarily the better builds)
It also gives good info on popular glyphs, enchants, gems, gear by class/spec.
Ooh, that’s good to know. I actually don’t have a ton of haste; I’ve been stacking +Int and only recently decided to add haste, so I only have one haste gem I think.
Thanks, martu and FH for the links. I’ll see if any of these are not blocked from work, otherwise I’ll take a look this evening.
Even as someone who’s repeatedly said we got through Ulduar hard modes on the back of our disc priest, I’d recommend sticking with Holy for Saurfang. He’s a fight where your focus is just sheer, raw throughput. Not spikes, not surprises, not target swaps, not AOE. He just picks someone and beats them the hell down. Disc doesn’t have a lot in the way of throughput. Penance is on a cooldown, shielding the same person is on a cooldown, renew and mending and greater heal are substantially weaker, and as good as Borrowed Time is, when your goal is bombing fat gheals when they’re needed, Serendipity stomps all over Borrowed Time.
Heroic Saurfang needs an absolutely disgusting amount of raw healing power and that’s just not Disc’s niche. Arthas, on the other hand…now -that’s- a disc fight.