Whoops missed this, apologies. Serious question - how many hours of WoW do you play a week?
Nothing shows zero emotional attachment more than a long post on the subject in my opinion. Especially one with bad grammar, what does “I will no longer entertain these this rejoinder you seem to need to perpetuate.” mean exactly?
Anyway I’ll let you have the last word on this, this thread was fun until you showed up.
I was cracking up in Tranquillien last night at the blood elf chef, who was dismayed by his lack of cooking materials and all the Forsaken in the area. His delicate sensibilities seem quite upset. I got my Voidwalker last night (after getting ganged up on by sentinel spies on the way to the summoning area). It’s nifty-looking but I haven’t fought with it yet.
I’ve taken up tailoring with my warlock, and am undecided on her second profession. She’s been making lots of linen clothes to level since she has just started. I’ve even sold a few of those pretty white linen shirts at the auction house. For some reason, I don’t like the way the robes look on her–they make her look as if she will trip over her skirts all the time. I’m keeping her in a cloth vest for now since I haven’t gotten a better robe, but I guess I’ll have to suck it up and put her in a robe when I get a good one.
Just to point out there are raiding guilds, and raiding guilds, raiders and raiders as well. Don’t lump me with hyper serious types please, I love raiding, and end game type content, but that doesn’t make me better than someone who doesn’t.
I don’t understand people who look down their noses at casual players, anymore than I understand casuals who mock raiders for not having a life. I wouldn’t bring a casual to a progression, as much because they wouldn’t enjoy it as because they wouldn’t be able to advance the raid.
Please don’t lump all progression players or guilds into the basket defined by the most obnoxious members. The top three horde guilds on my server each have unique reputations: one is a group of hardcore players who are slightly cocky, but on the whole decent guys who are into being first; the next are a bunch of assholes who know they’re better than anyone else; the third are more easy going, who are focused on getting as much out of their scheduled raids as is possible.
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Somedays I really do think the rogue was right. <Evade>, yeah we stand in shit. Thorim’s lightning has to be one of the easiest to avoid AoEs in Uludar, but we still had people die to it during hard mode attempts. I saw at least 60% of the dps get knocked flying from shadow crashes on Vezax too. Still haven’t beaten the trail from a couple of weeks ago who keyboard turned to watch a cloud drift over him on Yogg, after being told that his job was to avoid the clouds first and dps second. Sheesh.
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Telperien tailoring works well with enchanting, especially for a lock. Cloth is fairly easy to come by, and DEing your skill up creations gives you a fair amount of mats to use to skill up your enchanting.
I apologize to you and most of the other raiding folks in this thread. ashman pushed my buttons with his disdain for casual players and roleplayers. “Running around the cities in a dress”. Nice.
It’s not the fact of raiding that I was insulting. It was the arrogance of ashman.
Please, martu, don’t lump all “hardcore raiders” in with this guy. I’m a bit of an elitist when it comes to WoW and raiding (and by many people’s definitions (probably not his) a hardcore raider), and I’m looking at his arrogant and condescending responses, scratching my head, and going, “Sheesh, take a chill pill, man. Raiding may be srs bsns, but it’s not curing cancer.”
I love to raid. I love figuring out the fights, doing the right things to deal with them, reacting to changing circumstances, and doing whatever I can to maximize my DPS. But I also enjoy questing, RP, the seasonal events, hanging out with friends in-game, and the other things the game has to offer. I don’t care whether somebody wants to raid, quest, stand around Dalaran in their RP gear pretending to be a vampire, PvP, or whatever else floats their boat. It’s their $15.00 a month, and that means if they’re having fun then it’s nobody else’s business what they do. The only time I get annoyed is when folks who clearly have neither the gear nor the skill to raid get upset because raiding guilds won’t take them and shower them in free purples because of their sheer awesomeness. But even those folks, when they approach our guild, I deal with politely.
FWIW, I have no kids (and a good job), but I don’t think that’s terribly relevant to anything. Just because I choose to spend nearly every night playing a video game (and most of those nights raiding) doesn’t mean I’m any better or worse than anybody who chooses to do something else, or to play WoW but in a different way.
So please, don’t lump all us raiders together. **ashman165 **might enjoy being condescending to anyone who isn’t as l33t as he is, but I’m not into that.
Oh, while I’m on the topic, ashman:
Nice dodge, but I’ve really got better things to do than go to a website and try to figure out which of a bunch of toons is you. Okay, you’re in Scurvy Dogs. That narrows it down a bit. How about a name?
Well said.
How many hours do you think one would have to put in to be a good Raider? From what I have read since this conversation started here it seems to be something that takes dedication to be good at it?
Yes that comment of mine was rather broader than I intended, my apologies.
I guess a lot of my pre conceived opinions were reinforced by ashman165’s attitude (though maybe I have read him wrong there, we’ll see).
May I ask you the same question I asked Redwing how many hours do you have to put in? This is where the kids question came from, I struggle to get 8 hours a week of play time and I get the feeling I may not be able to Raid seriously though it is something that I would want to at least try.
Hey, speaking of endgame content, could someone point me at a page that lays out the various “caps”, especially for melee dps? My death knight is finally geared up to the point where that’s relevant - he’s up to a 320-something hit rating, which I think is about 30 above the hit cap, and before I spend hundreds of gold switching gems around, I’d like to make sure that I’m not just pushing him over some other cap. (Don’t think I can go to the armory from work, but if someone wants to look at his gear and make suggestions, he’s Muzungu on Cairne).
It’s a fantastic levelling machine, just send him in to attack a mob then he’ll keep them occupied as you pile on the DOTs.
I would take a gathering profession to get some money if I were you and I’d pick it up soon while you are still questing in the lower level areas. Mining has been most profitable for me but I just got rid of tailoring (I was only at 75 skill or so) to pick up herbalism also on my Warlock to get some money in. I’ll pick up tailoring at a later level I expect when money is less of an object and create the Shadoweave set for myself, keeping a few mats in the bank for ease of levelling later.
I realize I’ve said it several times, so this time I’ll type slower.
I. Haven’t. Represented. Any. Claim. About. My. Particular. Raiding. Philosophy.
Because it isn’t relevant.
It’s curious that you claim to eschew my arrogance, which isn’t undeserved if one reads the actual definition of the word (but let’s not let that get in the way of an otherwise not-clever insult), yet you seem to flesh out reasonably well that which I’ve offered up.
You like raiding and want to figure the stuff out and get the content, check.
You don’t care of people sit around in a city in their RP gear (or as I said, running around Dalaran wearing a dress). This is hardly news to anyone who’s been in the game since the robe/dress issue has been a long running battle between players and Blizzard’s design team. Indeed, right now there’s a backlash over magi T8 gear being a tunic instead of the dress. Also, it’s worth noting that a careful read of what I typed indicates that, among others, I play a priest. This is a class which indeed wears a dress. Again, let’s not let that stand in the way of an otherwise dimwitted insult.
You recognize that there are players of various skills and gear levels, check.
I could go on, and on, but the simple fact remains that nothing you’ve said stand in opposition to how I presented the general hardcore raider’s view of the rest of the players in the game.
Winterhawk:
It’s curious that I’ve been asked my server, my guild, and now my toon’s name. It’s quite clear to me that you’ve not bothered to follow the not-so-well-hidden-paper-trail to my toon. Indeed, the only way to make more obvious what I have written is merely to provide and armory link so as to relieve you of the burden of typing in one url, the word “Gul’dan” and then “Scurvy Dogs” and clicking “search”.
I realize this would take all of several seconds of your life to determine on your own.
All of this is readily discoverable since I have given my class, relative gear level, guild and server. How it would be difficult to determine my toon’s name I can’t understand.
Incidentally, I haven’t claimed to be elite. Indeed, a cursory reading that I may or may not be considered a hardcore raider would tend to at least potentially exclude the perception that I am l33t. I have been decidedly silent on my raiding level and philosophy. This is for the obvious reason: it wasn’t relevant to the discussion. It still isn’t.
Like anything else in life, to be good at something one need only practice doing it correctly. How long that takes depends entirely upon one’s abilities and willingness.
We raid most nights of the week for about 2 to 3 hours at a time because, oddly enough, it turns out that the majority of either have a job, a life, school, or some combination of the above.
Jayjay, when I dream, it’s of a pony. I have decidedly not not shown any disdain for how anyone chooses to play the game. One would think that “as long as you’re happy and your guild is happy, then it’s gravy” would point that out. Clearly, since this doesn’t fit into what you’d rather believe, you discount it. I cannot help you with that; however, that doesn’t change the fact that I did state that as my own view and that your ignoring it doesn’t somehow make it disappear.
Tailoring and enchanting can be a useful combination, but the rub is having two crafting professions without a high level toon of your own to support it. At some point along the way, you will simply have to buy materials from the auction house, which get very expensive. Even with a gathering profession, leveling one or other other can take a couple of thousand gold (depending on your server’s economy) to get to level 450. But, at max level (for the professions as well as toon) will have added benefits for gear that you won’t otherwise enjoy: enchants on your rings, and embroidery for your cloak come to mind. If you plan on raiding, this will be advantageous in the way of performance. For maintaining the amount of gold required to raid regularly, your mileage may well vary.
I was going to go with some kind of gathering profession, but I just hadn’t decided which one yet. My night elf is an herbalist/alchemist, and my tauren is a skinner/leatherworker. My draenei is a miner/engineer but I have just trained her. I think I might take up herbalism and see how it works out. On the Alliance side of my server, herbalism makes good money, but I don’t know how it goes on the Horde side yet. Only one way to find out.
Is that the bare minimum in your opinion?
How did you convince your SO to let you play every night btw? It seems my wife wants to talk to me every so often which is really curbing my WoW time… 
This is my first post to a very long thread that I was enjoying very much. The above is bullshit. Every one of your posts has been dripping with didactic condescension and smarmy faux intellectualism. You’re not half as smart as you think you are, and your behavior in this thread has been extremely childish.
It’s funny. I have enjoyed every single WoW discussion thread we’ve had on this board. I enjoyed this one immensely. We’ve been having a lot of fun, giving tips, comforting each other over some of THOSE quests, taking the piss out of Fandral Staghelm.
And then, one poster who hadn’t been heard from before posted, and suddenly the whole tone of the thread is different. It stopped being fun. It feels colder in here, less friendly.
Thanks a lot, ashman.
Frankly, given that this IS a WoW thread, it was only a matter of time before someone posted a “lol ur gear suckz lern2play luzers” … discussion. I’m just surprised that we got 50 pages (counting the previous thread) in without having this crop up before. So anyway, quick reference pages for hit caps and such-like for melee DPS classes (specifically, death knights). Anyone know any?
WoWWiki has some information on the various ratings, with caps if there are any, here.
And Staghelm’s a wanker, even after reading enough lore to understand why. He’s still a wanker. 
Thanks, Bosstone! I took a quick look in Elitist Jerks & even their FAQs made my eyes glaze over with all the formulas.
We need more pics of gnomes sunbathing imo.
My guild raids 25-man content 4 nights a week for 4 hours at a time, so a total of 16 hours of “official” guild raiding time. Aside from that we usually do some one-off 10 man stuff (10 man isn’t official progression for our guild–people just do it if they want to) on off nights. Most of our guildies, while dedicated to progression, do have lives, families, and other interests–that’s why we’re no longer the top guild on our server (I think we’re #3 now). When WotLK came out, the #2 and #3 guilds at the time recruited like crazy and went to a 7-day-a-week raid schedule. There was no way any of our folks were willing to do that, even to stay on top.