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Go ahead. Be my guest. Maybe it’ll help you fit a bit more condescension in. (I’m thinking a Pit spinoff is in the offing if this keeps up. I’ll try to keep this civil since we’re not there yet).

Here, let me speak your language:

I. Don’t. Care. You. Are. Arrogant. And. Condescending.

There, did that work?

My goodness, you are full of yourself, aren’t you?

You call me dimwitted, but somehow you managed to completely miss my intent. I don’t care if you (or anybody else) want to sit around Dalaran in pasties and a G-string. I don’t know where you got the “robe vs. tunic” thing out of what I said, which is simply that some people enjoy collecting RP clothes and hanging around major cities in them, and that’s all right. How this evolved into my failure to figure out that you’re a priest is a mystery. But hey, carry on.

Nice job missing the point there again. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps I don’t feel like I need or want to play Sherlock Holmes to try to track down your toon? Sheesh–again, I’ll say, you are very full of yourself. Kind of makes me wonder how old you are, because I’ve seen this attitude in plenty of teen and twentysomething geeks (and no, that’s not an insult–I like geeks, and I am one myself) who are too smart for their own good but haven’t quite mastered the concept of social skills yet. Either tell us the name or don’t, but don’t expect us to waste our time trying to figure it out. Not because we can’t, but because, at least for me, it’s not registering high enough on my “care” scale to put the effort in.

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Thanks, that’s quite a lot but less than I thought to be honest.

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Before I leap into my catching-up post…

1.) I rolled an alt on Cairne and joined BDL! You can find me on **Hasati **(or my mule/farmer, Getpaid). Fellow BDL members–what are your toons?

2.) Awww, I missed all the drama. ashman, please don’t try to say that you weren’t offering your own opinions. It’s clear that you were, from your use of words like “we” when talking about hardcore raiders. Everyone else–please don’t judge raiding by his attitude.

The flyer question was already answered, but I’ll answer the one you didn’t ask: the Horde bears and mammoths have a different color scheme from the Alliance ones.

I totally forgot about that one! I think that was the first time my toon was ever drunk, and man do they get you plastered. You can kind of see again by the time you get out to where the mobs are, but god forbid you run across that killer pig on the way… (Did he used to be elite, or just high level for the area?)

Don’t forget about the penguin pet, too! :smiley: But the fishing pole is full of win. That plus the swimming turtle mount = undersea adventures!

I would have phrased it as poorly geared for Ulduar. A mixture of blues and epics from Heroics would be acceptable for starting Naxx and OS, but *not *Ulduar, unless the rest of the raid seriously outgears you.

Yeah, Blizzard really dropped the ball there. I think some high-level dev is sleeping with a Shadow Priest, given that they’re absolutely necessary on Raz, and required on Faerlina until your raid gets geared enough to just burn her down without using Widow’s Embrace.

Screw the Armory or WoW Heroes–I want a WWS link and I want it now. Because anybody can point to some random character and say “that’s me,” and as we all know, gear isn’t everything, anyway (nor achievements, given that a poor player can be carried by the rest of the raid).

Enjoy it while you can. Seriously. There will come a point where your head is so full of WoW terms and references that you can barely open your mouth without spewing forth something that nobody who doesn’t play the game can possibly understand.

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This is right on the point I was trying to make before we got sidetracked. You do not have to raid four nights a week to see raid content. Our guild only has one night that is “raid night” and we do others whenever we can (either in smaller groups with PuGs or by attaching ourselves to some other guilds we’ve formed friendships with). We’ve cleared OS, VoA, Naxx, and EoE in guild runs and have members that have progressed into Ulduar (including one that’s downed Yogg). All in our “shitty” gear…

So, my point stands - you can raid in WotLK without putting in massive hours. A few weeks running 5-man heroics when you can and gathering gold/mats for craftable epics and you are sufficiently geared to run OS/VoA/Naxx. It helps immensely, of course, if you have a guild that is willing to help you with the process.

To your specific question - 8 hours is more than enough. You can clear Naxx in 5 hours with an average group (I believe one guild cleared the whole damn thing in an hour but that’s pretty ridiculous). OS and VoA can both be done in an hour (and generally quite a bit less).

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We raid 4 nights a week, or until we’ve cleared all content. Four to four and a half hours. My wife and I play together, which makes sense as we met on a MUD (married nerds are scary :D). The top guild on or server raids 6 nights a week, 5 hours a night, IIRC, or until they clear all current content. There’s no real minimum time, if you’re Ensidia, and you can clear everything in six hours, then that’s how much you raid.

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Gnomes sunbathing. Hmmm. I support this fully. Though it needs more rain. And Fire. As a paid-in-full member of Orc Locks for Thrall, allow me to offer my services in this matter. :slight_smile:

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Well, you met me (well, my alt) in game last night for our aborted Wailing Caverns run. :slight_smile: Hope to see you around while we both grind through the Barrens…

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I don’t have a significant other. For that matter, I don’t even have an insignificant other. I have had little interest (well, no interest) in dating for the last two or three years. Before that, I dated as I saw fit, but invariably I lose interest.

My last boyfriend didn’t seem to like the idea of being referred to as my insignificant other, even though it was a long-running joke between him and me.

I don’t know that how my guild does anything is the standard by which other guilds should view themselves. It really depends on the goals of the guild. For our part, we aren’t the top raiding guild on my server (you’d have to be horde for that), but we are the top alliance guild. But as with a lot of high-end raiding guilds, that isn’t so much the skill of the players as it is the maturity of the players.

Raiding guilds have precarious lives, many of which are quite short. The major ticket to success is having an appropriate amount of discipline within the guild, and a nice fun ratio along with a wise loot system. The loot system needn’t be great, just good enough that people are mostly okay with it. Someone’s always going to be butthurt if they don’t get their BIS first time it drops. You can’t avoid that. But we have a workable peace with using a loot council.

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Yeah, no kidding. As it happens, I did go look at ashman’s guild. I looked at the priests, none of whom is as advanced progression-wise as my 16-hour-a-week raiding mage (I say that not with any arrogance–I know there are plenty of toons far more advanced than mine), and I looked at the DPS with the highest achievement totals. If they’re routinely pulling 6K DPS then I definitely want to see a WWS, because otherwise I call shenanigans. Burst? Sure, that’s entirely possible. Sustained? To paraphrase a vulgar phrase: Numbers or GTFO. And if he can produce the numbers I’ll be impressed, because I know it’s theoretically possible to pull DPS like that at that gear level. Getting up toward world-class skill, but possible.

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As others have pointed out, this thread (and its predecessor) have been a lot of fun, and things have turned rude since ashman165 started his raiding posts. I’ve already had to issue one warning, and I don’t want to issue any more. Several people are perilously close on the personal insults. If you wish to arguing with ashman165 about raiding, please take it to the Pit. Otherwise, let’s drop it.
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Thank you for the feedback.

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Here’s the armory link to my main. Feel free to offer advice, but be gentle. I’m a wuss.

Here’s my warlock. I don’t really know what to do with her right now, but it’s early days.

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Apologies, InvisibleWombat. I knew I was straying pretty close to the line–posts like that can bring that out in me. But if I say anything else on the subject it will be in the Pit.

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Just to answer the question embedded in this - Tier Gear is a set of gear that drops from a particular raid. They all go together and have “set bonuses” for having multiple items from the set. They are often (but not always) best-in-slot (BiS) for a given raid level.

Current tier gear includes T7 from Naxx10, T7.5 from Naxx25, T8, from Ulduar10, and T8.5 from Ulduar25. These pieces also drop from Sartharion in OS and Archavon and Emalon in VoA. In current content the normally drop as tokens that apply to a group of classes (so, for example, hunters, warriors, and shamans roll on the same tokens). This is not true for VoA where the bosses just drop the items straight.

Here is a link to the Tier 7 set for Hunters: Heroes’ Cryptstalker Battlegear

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I did too. I don’t find his numbers unbelievable though, on Hodir we had dps pulling 11k (not me, sadly), and 6k is something even I can do with relative regularity.

Raiding to clear everything can be done in two raiding nights, as opposed to doing hard modes. I have a feeling that when we get hard modes under control, we’ll be able to go through everything in two nights, and the time limit on Alagon will keep us from simply hitting at him for the other two.

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I’m looking at your lock (I can’t say anything about hunters as I haven’t played one).

So, I guess the question I have is what is it that you’d like to do with her? Twink for PvP, fast leveling, milling around?

Assuming that you plan on leveling, your most efficient route for beginning talent points will be in affliction as it will greatly reduce your downtime. This will also reduce the frequency with which you’ll have to lifetap because of 2/2 in Improved Drain Soul. And when you do need to lifetap while questing, the return you’ll get from using Drain Life will be greatly improved because of Soul Siphon in conjunction with Fel concentration (the former to increase the amount you can drain based off of how many DoTs you have up on the mob, and the latter to reduce the pushback penalty from being hit). This is the so-called drain-tanking strategy.

I haven’t played my lock since Siphon Life was reworked, so I don’t know how it’s fairing at the moment. But I’d imagine for leveling purposes, having it would be preferable to not having it simply because any gain in health while questing is better than none.

That’s my $.02 anyway. Good luck with her; locks are an amazingly fun class to level up. :slight_smile:

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Oh, yeah, on Hodir it’s pretty easy to get high numbers if you can work all the buffs to your favor. When you say you pull 6K with relative regularity, though, do you mean on Hodir or in general? Our DPS can hit those numbers in specific fights, but as yet consistent 6K across the board isn’t something we’re managing. Our top DPSers are usually around 4.5K average for an evening, with 2- or 4-piece Ulduar set bonuses and a reasonable amount of Uld-25 gear. Certain fights, like Vezax, we can go higher (I was in the 7.5-8.5K range there, and we’re still learning that fight so we’ll probably be able to do a lot better once we get it down).

Yes, exactly. We’re still working on Uld (can get reliably through everything up to Mimiron quickly–Mim we’ve got but not on farm, and we’re still learning Vezax on 25, as I said. Our guild usually takes awhile to get things down, but once we do, we don’t forget them and they’re on farm relatively soon thereafter. I’m looking forward to getting to the hard mode stuff. Hard mode XT on 10 man was a lot of fun (and actually, IMO, easier than “easy mode” with good DPS, since you don’t have to worry about the adds much.)

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Thanks.

Bit of a noob question probably but can you do half ‘the raid’ one night and then the other half another night?

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Thanks. Divorce seems a step too far for more WoW time. For now at least anyway.

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I’m planning on leveling and wandering around. I’m not much on PvP, as I’m used to solo games rather than MMORPGs. I’ll check out the affliction talents next time I have a point available, which should be very soon. Thanks!

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DPS Questions:

I’m astonished hearing some of these DPS numbers. What would be considered “good” sustained DPS for a level-80 frost mage?

I’ve never run a Northrend instance (just can’t get the schedules together), so my gear is a mix of the best I can craft or buy on the AH and a few quest/rep items. I’ve put the best enchantments/enhancements on the gear that I could afford. I know that it’s inadequate for raiding work. I can burst DPS pretty high when everything procs and I hit a frozen target (triple-damage ice lance, free fireball, guaranteed crit…), but when I’ve tried measuring sustained DPS against a target dummy, I still haven’t been able to hit 1,500. I’ve looked through gear lists and bonuses, and I can see increasing my spell damage, hit rating, and so forth, but even the best gear in the game doesn’t triple them, and you folks are throwing out numbers over seven times that (although I’m sure they aren’t from frost mages).

What’s the scoop?

ETA: Forgot to include an Armory link.