Trying to communicate with Blizzard makes me want to punch somebody. I’ve found a bug that they need to fix (Using the Experience Eliminator at level 20 on a starter account disables Battlegrounds, but trying to cancel it just takes your money and does nothing) and there seems to be no way to actually tell them to fix their goddamn game. Every time I attempt to post a thread to their forums it disappears into the aether.
The “thread disappearing” thing is forum bug that has been reported:
(I’m “Eilyssana” in that thread)
Trying to open a ticket in-game is also an exercise in futility. The in-game system walks you through a bunch of steps that are clearly trying to make you go to the forums instead, or to third-party sites. OTOH, if I fight my way through it, I’ve gotten good service from the GMs who answer me.
Let’s be honest here. The novelty (
) of riding around on the ground in a new expac wears off rather quickly. In Legion, as in WoD, a Pathfinder meta-achievement is required to (eventually) unlock flying in the Broken Isles.
This meta is in turn composed of other metas: faction reputation, exploration, etc. One of these metas is the “attain achievements for completing all core quest chains in each zone”. One of these zone achievements is Good Suramaritan: complete core quest chain in Suramar.
This quest chain has a step which culminates in two quests that can only be completed in Mythic dungeons: The Arcway and Court of Stars.
In other words: flying is gated behind Mythic dungeons. Dungeons which can only be accessed in normal groups, not put together automatically like Heroic LFGs. You can use the “manual” group finder to get into a Mythic group, but most players who intend to do Mythics are in Keystone progression, so won’t carry a Mythic newbie. And even Mythic newbie groups seem to be rejecting my applications for hours on end, for reasons I can only speculate on. (Inadequate ilvl? I’m 845. Marksman hunter? Is that bad? BO that comes in over the computer?)
My small guild has a core group that is in keystone progression and won’t waste a run to help me, and several non-cores like me that are even farther behind in the achievement progress so aren’t attuned for the Mythics.
Am I screwed, other than getting lucky on the group finder? (Which hasn’t happened yet, but who knows?) I’m not particularly fond of cooling my heels waiting for my next rejection, especially since my “doing stuff around the world” spec is significantly different than my “getting real in an instanced group” spec.
ETA: A well-stated goal of this expac is to re-create the feeling of Vanilla. In this, they’ve succeeded: only the best-connected socially-capitalized players will be able to get decent endgame rewards. Filthy solo casuals are welcome to keep shoveling money at Blizz to remain second-class peons.
Too late to ETA: I might be wrong about the gating. The mythic quests seem to be presented as pre-requisites to continue in the zone quest chain, but there are unconfirmed claims that they’re not. For instance, it was absolutely clear that the mythic dungeons were required for the achievement in the beta, but I’ve seen forum claims that this was relaxed before live. No blue, though, so I consider that unconfirmed.
I hope I am wrong, and the above rant is misdirected. But this is Blizzard, so you never know. Pandaria legendary was gated behind PvP for completely inexplicable and wrong-headed reasons.
As a Hunter part of your Class Campaign will have you do at least one dungeon. I used the dungeon finder at was immediately accepted. not sure why you are having problems getting into dungeons.
And I’m quite fond of normal queue-it-up dungeons, even LFR raids. But that’s not what Mythic dungeons are.
Normal and Heroics you are thrown into a 5-player group (3 DPS, 1 heal, 1 tank) picked at random from everyone who queued up.
Mythics don’t work that way. Mythics work mostly old-school: you put together your own group. Or, slightly more modern, you use a group finder and put together your group. But people aren’t thrown together from a big pool. A group leader creates the group, accepts or rejects applications from other people using the group finder, and puts together the group composition himself.
You don’t queue for a Mythic, knowing with a certainty that you’ll eventually get in (no matter how long the queue time). You apply to groups-in-forming and hope you’ll get accepted.
ETA: the other old-school thing: you don’t insta-teleport into the instance in a Mythic. You go to the instance location yourself. If enough of you get there, you can use a summoning stone, but at least the first few have to no-kidding travel there.
As far as I can tell, the mythic dungeon quests aren’t part of the Suramar meta. I’m 9 of 11 on that, the 10th unlocks once I hit 7000/21000 revered, and the 11th isn’t in game yet (7.1 will have it, I believe). I have both those dungeon quests uncompleted in my quest log, so I don’t see where they would fall into that.
The more I look around, the more I think you’re right and I was panicked over nothing. As long as the Emerald Nightmare step of the meta can be done in LFR, I’ll be able to get through it without any drama.
I just read on the forums that the freaking LOREMASTER achievement now requires dungeons for Legion. A questing achievement.
Get your Loremaster done ASAP; they reset all quests with every new expansion. So if you didn’t get it during, say, MoP when WoD went live, you have to do all the previous quests over again. Once you have the achievement and title, tho, you don’t lose them. But it becomes that much harder to get every time it gets put on the back burner and a new xpac is released.
I remember this distinctly with Cataclysm. Although I had Loremaster already (and did just about as soon as I hit max-level in whichever xpac achievements were introduced), when the zones revamped for Cataclysm (and quests got replaced), the completion counts in those zones went to zero. If there had been a zone where I was a little short of getting credit for, I would have been pissed.
I’m not sure about that. That sounds a little like what I was panicking about, in that sites like WowHead list the dungeon quests in the zone chains along with all the rest of the quests, but looking at the examples I’ve seen you’ll complete the sub-achievement milestone at completion of the last normal quest in the chain, before the dungeon quests are given, and the dungeon quests aren’t prerequisites for the next quest chain.
In other words, as far as I can see, the dungeon quests are unlocked by completing a quest chain sub-achievement, not required to complete the quest chain.
I can’t tell definitively from my own experience, since I run dungeons all the time so I knocked out the dungeon quests without thinking about whether they affect Loremaster.
I’m not sure about that. I mean, once you’ve completed the quests, it’s impossible to go back and do them again (the Old World revamp from Cata being the exception). I already earned Loremaster on my main way back during Wrath, but I’ve got a new character on whom I’m working on earning it by doing every quest “at level” (rather than going back later to pick up quests I missed, like I did on my main). She was at something like 21/63 for Terokkar Forest in Outland at the time Legion launched, and her count didn’t reset. And none of my characters still working on Draenor zones lost their progress.
I could see them adding each new expansion’s quests to the overall Loremaster achievement, though.
The Loremaster metas for each zone are triggered without doing any dungeon quests for those zones, and it’s those zone metas that are counted in the overall Loremaster of Legion achievement.
Looking more carefully at my main’s progress in the “Good Suramaritarian” achievement, I concur. The “Statecraft” quest stage is marked as complete although I still have the Mythic dungeon quests unfinished. I just have to wait to get to 7000/21000 Revered :eek: with The Nightfallen to trigger the next stage. (That’s a lot of rep for a slow-rep faction; I’m still > 1000 away from Revered, let alone the 7000 points after that.)
ETA: The next stage requires an Emerald Nightmare raid run, but I’d be shocked if LFR didn’t work for this, so no worries.
Too late to ETA some more: Confirmed that LFR will suffice for progress in the main quest chain. (2nd Para)
The two raid zones open so far suck ass, IMO. Enter and instance then enter another instance. Go back to the first instance to enter a 2nd, etc., etc…
It’s like they have been trying to destroy the “real world” feel of the game ever since Cataclysm and they’ve finally gotten enough momentum to push it over the cliff.
The boss fights are boring as hell, too. The trash shouldn’t be more interesting and challenging than the boss, ffs.
And holy cow do the world dailies get old fast.
Here’s another shitty aspect of this change: there is no way to get better than a mob by advancing in level.
That named mob you couldn’t quite solo at 101 in Stormheim? When you come back 5 levels later, it will still be a mob that you can’t quite beat. And when you come back 2 leves after that as well. And even wen you reach level cap, you still won’t be able to beat him, because he’s gonna scale up just like you.
That’s a serious change to the game’s mechanics and I still think it sucks.
The general consensus seems to be that Legion is the best xpac since MoP. From the podcasts I’ve been listening to (and my personal experience), you’re in a distinct minority, Snowboarder Bo. Might be time to go to the quarry and throw your account in.
No, I don’t think I’m in quite that much of a minority. Heck, I think it’s the best xpac since WOTLK, but since the bar was so low with MoP and WoD, I don’t think that says much.