World of Warcraft questions

I always resented the term “carebear”, because thats what fuckwits in age of Conan called people that resented being killed by a lvl 20 when they were level 5 in the starting area. Keep in mind, AoC is a different game than WoW. Beginners were basically restricted to the starting zone and had to go to certain pvp zones for levelling questrs in order to get out of the zone.

It may annoy me a bit in WoW but not in a “I got goanked by an asshole way”. WoW is more balanced IMO in PvP. I just got ganked 20 minutes ago when some level 80s decided to raid Grom Gol. Hell, alls fair. If I had a level 80 horde character I’d be raiding the nearest alliance base.

I do feel a bit scummy though. Earlier this evening I saw an alliance mage fighting a tiger in stranglethorne. Just as he was almost winning I ganked him, more for revenge on my various ganks than anything else. Though it did feel good to win a fight. :smiley:

And I did agree to join a guild, only because one of the officers actually took the two minutes to talk to me before inviting me. Hope i like it.

Carebear’s been in use for ages. When I fought with PKers on the SW:G beta boards, I constantly got called a carebear for being in support of consentual PVP instead of free-for-all. If you weren’t specifically calling for the ability to kill non-combat players whenever you wanted, you were a carebear. That soured me on the PVP crowd deeply.

More recently, I sparred with the PVP crowd on the City of Heroes boards last fall, as the newest update made a lot of changes to the PVP side of the game. Those guys were the exact same. Few PVPers are honorable. Most just want to be able to ruin your ability to have fun. I like PVP, but only when I choose to participate. I’ll probably try the WoW battlegrounds at some point, but I’ll never participate in world PVP (unless some jerkoff is making life hell on lowbies and I can take him).

Sorry, rant over.

I was actually ganked very considerately the other day :wink: I had somehow gotten myself flagged for PVP without realizing it. So I’m in this area fighting a demon 2-3 levels higher than me, when out of the corner of my eye I saw two Alliance players with red names just standing there. A quick mouseover showed me the “??” where their levels should be. I resigned myself to the fact that if they wanted to kill me they were gonna kill me, and I turned my attention back to the demon.

The Alliance guys just stood by and politely waited until I finished slaying the demon, let me loot it, and then ran over and 1-hit killed me. I assumed they were nice enough to want to kill me but didn’t want to mess up my questing. Either that, or they figured that if they let me kill the demon first, then by the time I made my way back to my corpse the demon would have respawned and would be ready to kill me as soon as I resurrected :stuck_out_tongue:

A real ganker would’ve hit you just hard enough for the demon to 1-shot you so you took the 10% durability hit.

Last night I hearthed into Ratchet intending to catch the flight to Ogrimmmar from there. (I had the Ratchet Inn set as home from when I was doing quests in the general area…I reset it to ogrimmar when I got there) I saw a night elf hunter that was one level higher than my orc hunter. I observed him from a distance and he didn’t move at all. It looked like he was AFK. Easy kill, but just as I was about to strike I saw a level “??” paladin riding into town…and it was obvious the paladin saw me. I made a dash for the flight master and clicked on my flight just as he reached me. Its too bad theres no emote for ***“So long Sucker!”. ***:smiley:

Ganking on a WoW PvP server is a given. I gneerally try to avoid anyone more than three levels higher than I am, and definitely if its “??”. For the most part I’ve found that I only get ganked when I’m making myself an easy target or when I’m unfortunate enough to run into a level “??” with an axe to grind. I got caught in Grom Gol during a raid last night and had a few level 80’s one shot me. I only went into the village to buy ammo, but I should have waited. It was stupid to think they would have let me go in peace.

I do have to figure out how to avoid alliance players with stealth.

You could try

/applaud
/blow
/cackle
/comfort
/farewell
/giggle
/goodbye
/lick
/mock
/moon
/nosepick
/point combined with /laugh or /mock

and the ever popular

/fart

If your plan is to toss these at people as you fly away, you’ll probably want to macro them.

OK, here’s a few questions for the experts on this thread. A few nights ago I did my first battleground runs (Warsong Gulch). The first one was a win (that I had no part of - joined like 3 seconds before the win), the second was an epic battle that stayed 0-0 for like an hour (in which I got like 35 honorable kills playing defense) and the others were somewhere in between. So, my questions:

  1. Is it always this random? It seems that the makeup of the respective teams goes a long way to determining the winner - in the third matchup we really had no chance (the other team was entirely 39s, a few seemed to be pretty heavily twinked). Sometimes the team sort-of divides into roles naturally, sometimes someone gives out instructions, and other times it’s just a one-by-one mad run into destruction.

  2. How hard-and-fast are the class rules? I’m a hunter and it seems that my only real use was in defense (I just can’t take enough damage to carry the flag or anything like that). As such I never really leave the tunnel/flagroom/area right outside - kinda dull really. Do I have to re-roll to try the other battleground roles?

  3. I’m pretty sure I was mis-equipped for PVP. Am I correct in thinking that stamina becomes much more important in PVP that it is in PVE? And I should have been using a ferocity pet rather than my tenacity turtle, right? How do you deal with not being twinked-out?

Anyways, I’ve dinged 40 now so won’t be back in the battlegrounds for awhile.

I’m a Shaman. It’s similar to a Hunter, with lots of bite, but not much defense. I’m not a big PvPer, but I do from time to time.

I find that Warsong can vary a lot. I go where I think I can help. Sometimes, that means setting up a defense in the flag room. I place totems (you can put a trap down) and try to slow down anyone who tries to steal the flag. Use any powers you have that can slow down the runner. That gives others on your team a longer chance to bring their powers to bear.

When on offense, I never run the flag myself. Instead I try to slow down those attacking our flag runner. I’ll also throw heals at the runner, but you can’t do that. If someone starts attacking me, I run away from the flag carrier, to disperse them.

The key to battlegrounds is to do whatever it takes to win the match. It’s not to kill the other players. Be ready to sacrifice yourself, if it means the flag runner gets that much farther.

As a hunter, you want your highest damage pet. Special abilities are good, too…like a hog’s charge, or some flying pets that have a stun.

As for role, you can do whatever you like best. Pretty much all my toons will run the flag if it’s there when I’m in the enemy flag room.

Wow…I got my first rude tell tonight. Some asswipe called “bdc” whispered to me “You suck. You need knew gear”.

Then quickly typed ‘new’.

I just replied 'Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son" and put him on ignore.

Brilliant. :smiley:

/violin

I’ve only been into a battleground once (Warsong Gulch), and the biggest (and frankly, only) contribution I made with my hunter came when I had “Track Humanoids” turned on and spotted a red dot inside our base. I trotted in there but didn’t see anybody. On a hunch I switched to “Track Hidden”, and sure enough there was a shadowmelded (is that the term? I can’t remember) night elf hiding in the flag cubbyhole. So I nonchalantly stepped back as if I hadn’t seen him (he was staying still), then lit him up with a Hunter’s Mark and sent my cat after him followed one of my “slow down” arrows. That effectively marked him so he couldn’t hide anymore, and the rest of my team flooded into the flag room and took his ass down :smiley: Once the others came in I just sort of stood back and let them do their jobs. I’ve found that my big, hulking Tauren hunter marksman specialist is pretty useless in close-quarters indoor melee combat.

He was actually pretty useless in wide-open outdoor battleground combat as well. I tried to find a position from which I could play “sniper” (because he’s just too darned slow to try to chase the enemy players around), but every time I thought I found a spot this screaming fast gnome rogue would appear out of nowhere and whack me.

Hunter useless in outdoor pvp? I guess it depends on the bracket. In the 19 and 29 brackets, Hunters rule…bordering on being overpowered. You own most squishies…especially locks and priests. In the 70 bracket, my mage owned Hunters…but only because mages…particularly PoM Pyro mages, have incredible burst damage.

Forget the hiding/sniping thing. Set pet to aggressive, run with a group of teammates, and shoot whatever the melee types are fighting.

Rogues are going to be a problem. To beat a rogue, you have to kite them. Use anything you’ve got to keep them out of melee range…wingclip if you’re in melee and get to shooting range asap…slow arrows, frost/ice traps (I forget what those are called), Mark to keep them from stealthing, and have your pet on them. You and the pet are a team, and should engage the same target as much as possible. Still gonna be a tough fight. As a Tauren, use your footstomp stun early and often.

Another problem is that in the lower brackets, most rogues are probably going to be twinks. My twink rogue is in the 19 bracket, and has over 1500 hit points unbuffed. If you aren’t twinked, there’s not much you can do against someone that is.

PVP on anything other than a healer is all about burst damage. Kill the other guy before he kills you. Blow all cooldowns as often as possible. Blindside people when you can. Focus fire targets with teamates.

Rogues are tough PvP but not impossible. Frost trap (I also forget the name, the one that slows people way down) and flare are going to be huge to prevent rogues from sneaking up on you. Once they pop up from the flare, hunter’s mark and stun shot. I’ve owned rogues on Arathi Basin simply on the basis of traps and flares.

You also may have to adjust your role to offensive support. Pair up with a melee. You mark, slow, and sting them. They do the clean up.

Well for every jerk theres a cool person I guess. I was working on my very low level undead warrior when I accidentally aggroed to many scarlet crusaders on a quest. I figured I was toast when a level 80 tauren hunter showed up and basically pwned my foes. He asked if he could join my quest to kill the captain in the tower since he was just clearing very old low level quests. Its not like he needed my help. He was basically asking me if I would accept his help.

Natuarllyt he killed everything they threw at us in one shot. I don’t think I even got to fight. Then he told me I could have the drops, gave ma gold piece and took off.

So did anyone else do a free transfer to Garrosh (the new PVE server)? I got sick of the 700+ queues on Argent Dawn and sent my tauren warrior Muzungu over, along with one of my alts who basically is just going to be my bank/AH guy.

I’ve found Warsong Gulch to be hit or miss for me as well. Additionally, when we’re winning many times my teammates will agree to drag out the process to get honor - not going after that last flag. Which I hate - I like nice and quick BG’s.

You might like AB (though I recommend this mainly because it was the first BG I’d ever done and remains my favorite). It never lasts very long, and I find the objectives to be nice and easy to understand - defend a flag at one of the five bases or try to get a new flag.

I find Hunter’s do well in AB. Along with Rogue’s, they seem to have a knack for not allowing me to get many spells out. (as I play healers)

My human paladin encountered an NPC I hadn’t seen before in Stormwind: “Lil Timmy <Boy With Kittens>”. I moused over him and saw the trade cursor, so I clicked on him and a vendor window came up with nothing in it. I assume the window was empty because my character was a paladin? Darn it, I wanted a kitten!

Speaking of NPCs, one little detail I’m enjoying is encountering some of the various NPCs in Stormwind in different places. I’ve seen this a couple times:

There’s a group of three young women (apprentice mages, I assume) I first came across sitting and conversing on the grass near the tower in the Mage Quarter. A couple days later I spotted them walking together in a completely different part of the city. Then there’s what seems to be a pair of retired soldiers - a human and a dwarf - I first encountered in a tavern, reminiscing about some battle they’d been in during the last war. Later on I found them walking together elsewhere in the city.

I think that kind of thing helps bring the world to life. But I haven’t yet seen the same thing in Thunder Bluff, Orgrimmar, or Ironforge.

I’m getting a little frustrated with each of my three main characters (my tauren hunter, human paladin, and night elf druid). Each of them has seemingly reached a point — at different levels, oddly enough — where the quests they’re getting are suddenly too high-level for them. This happened to my hunter around lvl 30 (after moving on from The Barrens to Ashenvale), my druid around lvl 15 (after moving from Teldrassil to Darkshore), and now my paladin around lvl 20 (moving from Westfall to Lakeshire). My suspicion is that this is Blizzard’s way of trying to make me stop soloing and start partying up (either that, or they just expect most players to spend time farming XP, which bores me). So I’ve actually spent most of the last couple days just working on obtaining various Exploration achievements - going back and finding the spots I missed in the areas I’ve already been. My hunter has five of these now, I think: Mulgore, The Barrens, Thousand Needles, Stonetalon Mountains, and Durotar.

Last night I started my human paladin running through Dun Morogh, all the way back to Anvilmar, doing the low-level dwarf/gnome quests to farm reputation with Ironforge/Gnomeregan as well as work on getting the Explore Dun Morogh achievement. While I ran around I had fun casting Blessing of Might on all the lowbie gnomes that were questing through there (strangely, all gnomes. Didn’t see any lowbie dwarves.) She also finished exploring Westfall — she somehow hadn’t made it out to the Westfall Lighthouse yet, and I found three quests for her there. She ended up finding a really nice shield that looks like a ship’s steering wheel. She’s actually not finished with the Westfall quests - she’s stuck on that Defias Traitor escort mission, the one where you have to protect the guy while he leads you to the Defias hideout. I’ll probably go back soon to try again, as my last couple trips to the paladin trainer gained me a couple new abilities that should prove helpful: the spell that makes up to three enemies attack me instead of my “ally”, in particular. On my first try with that mission, the guy ended up getting mobbed and there was nothing I could do to save him.

Regarding my druid in Darkshore: that place has too damned many bears! I literally can’t do anything there without a bear attacking me from behind while I’m engaged with some other enemy. The quest where I had to find 5 Fine Moonstalker Pelts was insane. There’s just something … incongruent … about a druid — “protector of nature” — being forced to wantonly slaughter the local fauna for no reason other than “they’re in my way”. I mean, the place is just thick with bears to the point of straining credulity. I know it’s not supposed to be realistic, but bears are a little more territorial than that. You just don’t find bears swarming like that. If anything in Darkshore should appear in “herds”, it ought to be those strider birds.

No, the window was empty because he’d sold it. He spawns randomly (and rarely) and only has one white kitten to sell. It’s the only white kitten companion pet in the game and it’s pretty high demand. When he sells it, he still finishes out his walking pattern, but he won’t have anything to sell. So someone bought it before you. It had nothing to do with your class.