Would Rocksmith and an electric guitar be a good gift for my G/F?

My girlfriend has an acoustic guitar and wishes to learn to play it, but finding time to go out and get lessons is not easily done.

I’ve heard remarkable things about Rocksmith, the game for PS3 and other platforms (by G/F has a PS3, as do I) and how it can help a newbie learn guitar.

  1. Is this true? Would Rocksmith and an electric guitar help my lovely Adrienne learn guitar?

  2. If so, is the electric guitar sold with some Rocksmith bundles worth the bother, or should I get the software without the guitar and get a guitar separately? Just how cheap can you go?

  3. Hey, I’d like to learn to play the bass; would it work for that too?

  4. Anything else I should know?

Since learning to play the guitar entails devoting an hour or more per day to practice, I suggest she skip practice one day a week and go take a lesson instead.

  1. Yes, it will definitely help. There have been a couple threads in IMHO on the new Rocksmith recently, that inspired me to my older version. My son and wife both started playing it this time as well, and it’s pretty impressive how well my son (14) can play after only three (maybe four) weeks. Better than I’ve ever been able to play. I took lessons at a community college while I was in grad school, and I remember the instructor saying the most important thing was playing. This will absolutely help her play more, since it’s much more fun when you’re playing songs, and seeing progress, than just playing on your own. There are also a lot of lessons included in the game for techniques, and there are mini-games to practice the techniques. For the cost of one or two lessons, it would be well worth buying.

  2. I don’t know about the bundled guitar. I’m using a guitar that was inexpensive (but not “cheap”). But to go as cheap as possible, if her acoustic has metal strings you can buy a pickup. I bought this one, and can confirm it works in the older Rocksmith (I had to also buy this to be able to connect it). It is harder to play an acoustic than an electric, and some of the songs won’t be playable, since they will require frets too high to reach on the acoustic. I haven’t played it that much, since it’s easier to use the electric, so I can’t tell you what fraction of songs will be a problem. It would be [del]better[/del] easier to have an electric, but if the only way you could afford to play Rocksmith was with a pick-up for an acoustic, I think that would be well worth it.

  3. Yes. The older Rocksmith required a $10 DLC purchase for bass, but the new one has it included (From what I’ve read. I’ve ordered it for Christmas.) Wife is getting a bass for Christmas as well. We’ll have two of those USB cables, and you can play simultaneously, but that might only be feasible once you know the songs reasonably well. Both of you trying to learn a song might be difficult. That’s based on my son playing along on the acoustic while I was trying to learn part of a song in the game.)

  4. Search for those recent Rockband threads.

First, my guess is that if your gf really wanted to play, she’d be playing already. Ask any musician you know: most of us are at least a bit obsessive-compulsive about it. It takes more energy not to play, than to play. A big jones and minimal talent can do well, in the long run. More likely, it’s like I’d like to speak a foreign tongue, but I don’t bother to spend the time and effort it takes to learn one, except just before I go on vacation somewhere.

On the other hand, if your gf is a bit obsessive-compulsive like many gamers are, and would enjoy getting immersed in a game-styled approach to learning guitar, then Rocksmith might be just the ticket. Even if it doesn’t catch in the long run, it’s likely to be appreciated.

I recommend against any instrument that’s bundled with a game, on general principles.

Fortunately, these days there are loads of decent and very inexpensive electric guitars, like this Fender Squier Telecaster for $180. If you know a player, get him or her to take you to a local music shop and see if you can find a better and cheaper one. That said, an instrument is a personal item, and is usually best picked out by the player (with help from someone who can separate the wheat from the chaff, for a beginner).

But there’s a cheaper option, a soundhole pickup for acoustic, like this $60 one from Fishman. Fishman is a great brand for this sort of thing, and there are others. Just plop this in the soundhole and bingo: you have an instant “acoustic-electric”. One that doesn’t really sound like an acoustic OR and electric, but is nevertheless useful for playing music and especially for something like Rocksmith. Ah, here’s a less expensive one from Duncan ($30).

I assume her guitar is set up well; if you know any players have one come by and verify it. If not, most guitars can be improved significantly without spending a fortune, and it’s a waste of time to struggle with a poorly set-up instrument. A well-set-up cheapo is way better than a poorly set-up gem, especially for a beginner.

I’m interested to hear what anyone with experience with Rocksmith has to say about it as a learning experience. My biggest hesitation is that when starting, you have to learn to play the chords, involving placing multiple fingers on the fretboard at once. Every beginner I’ve helped (including myself, nearly 50 years ago) has had to take a lot of time positioning the fingers to play a chord, and couldn’t possibly do that in real time playing along with a game, even at a very slow speed.

It takes a lot of practice to get to the point where you can play a simple chord promptly, and I have a hard time seeing how a real-time game would get over that hurdle without being terribly frustrating. I hope I’m wrong, though!

Adults have a hard time learning to play an instrument. Kids have three huge advantages:

  1. they have lots of free time
  2. they have those amazing child brains that learn quickly
  3. they haven’t developed a lot of judgment, so simple things can sound good: the bar is way lower.

Of those, IMHO, the last is really the biggest hurdle, because the other two can be overcome in time, but the 3rd discourages spending more time. But, if your gf is the kind of person who can get joy from making small progress (without letting her more sophisticated judgment based on pro music kick in), then she has a chance. That and, as I said, a good dose of OC.

Even better if you pick up the bass, so the two of you can play together. Whoever is the more natural will wind up guiding the other, if your personalities don’t get in the way of that. It’s a lot easier to help at music than golf, thank goodness!

One more suggestion for learners: have the instruments sitting out, where they’ll get picked up frequently. Don’t leave it in a case. Instead, get an inexpensive guitar stand. My guitars hang on the wall. Not only is that the cheapest stand, it’s also pretty good protection, assuming you’re not playing indoor baseball.

Good luck!

Ninja’d by ZenBeam! Plus, good find on the cheap pup, and mentioning the F-to-F 1/4" adaptor that’s required.

The bundled guitar is an Epiphone Les Paul Junior, which is a fine guitar, but I’d still pick out the guitar you want at the price you want rather than what someone else picked for the bundle. Or go with the acoustic and the soundhole pickup.

The Les Paul is a Rock&Roll guitar, with a fairly meaty tone. The Telecaster is sweeter and brighter, very popular in country, and also used a lot for blues and rock, and IMHO is more versatile. Of course, a great player can make any guitar work for anything. The most popular electric guitar style is the Stratocaster, used for everything, so be sure to check out that style. All these guitars are heavily copied, and some of the copies are decent ones. (Some of the copies are considerably better, too … but that’s off the subject!)

Cheap self-promotion: This is what I did with my guitars and keyboards, 10 years ago. Enjoy!

I meant Rocksmith, or course. Here are those threads:
Rocksmith?
Guitar Players – Rocksmith – Yeah or Nay?

In the second thread, there’s a bit about latency. Briefly, don’t expect to use audio through HDMI, because of the latency. The PS3 has analog audio out, and I use that into a DVD player/sound system I have, and I don’t have a problem.

The old Rocksmith has three options for most songs: Single Note, Chords, and Combo. As you might imagine, single note means one note at a time. Chords is the full guitar part of the song, and is hardest. Combo is in-between. I have heard that the Single Note option went away in Rocksmith 2014.

Even for Chords, however, when you start, it begins with single notes, and not that many of them, depending on your skill level on previous songs. As you play and hit notes, it adds more notes. Both additional notes at different times, and also additional notes to fill out the chord. (And yes, playing chords is hard. :)) You can also go into Riff Repeater, to practice just a part of the song. In there, it again starts easy with a few notes, then levels you up as you make more and more of them.

One thing that’s nice is that you never fail. If you miss notes, it may just give you fewer notes later on (depending on how many you miss). Something I often do is ignore some of the chords, and just play the one original note, until I’m ready to try adding the full chord back in. You can also play additional notes at any time without penalty, so if you know more notes, you can add them on your own. Or practice that hard part when you’re not playing for a bit.

One other thing about Rocksmith that’s nice is that it gives you a lot of sound options. You can unlock guitars, which I think each have their own sound. But you also unlock lots of effects pedals, which let you modify your guitar sound a lot. Most of them emulate actual effects pedals, that might otherwise cost a lot of money. You can string several of them together, as well. When I was looking at DLC, all of them seemed to come with an additional effects pedal. I think that’s because they have a pedal to make your guitar sound like the songs original part. You can use Rocksmith as an amp, and just play on your own with whatever set of pedals you choose.

OK, I need to take this back. I had assumed chords was the hardest, and hadn’t tried it (I was afraid :)). I just now tried it, and it’s just the chord part of a song. Kind of like if you were singing folk songs, I guess. For the Chords arrangement, all the notes of a chord are there, but the chords are spaced farther apart to begin (i.e. they don’t show all of them). Also, it might start with only one or two chords, then add different chords as you do well on the first ones. (I did a few Combo arrangements as well, and those do start out as single notes, then upgrade to chords.) Only a few songs had Chord arrangements. I do not know if Rocksmith 2014 still has Chord arrangements.

I was doing this on my acoustic with that pickup I linked to, and the acoustic worked just fine. ETA: I even scored a new trophy for hitting 100k points on a chord arrangement. I’m going to try using the acoustic more often.

One more thing: If you want to try bass and don’t have a bass guitar, Rocksmith will let you emulate a bass using the bottom four strings of a regular guitar. I don’t have the bass DLC, so I don’t know how well that works.

Cool, thanks! Hopefully there are more chord arrangements, not less. I shudder to think of a training tool that spawns a generation of lead players who can’t play rhythm! (We have enough of those already!)

That’s interesting that it teaches chords starting with a few notes at a time, rather than full chords at root position (which is the way guitar is generally taught). Not only does that make it easier, it’s really a better foundation.

You see, the normal progression in learning guitar is:

  1. learn root position (“open”) chords
  2. learn barre chords
  3. learn NOT to use the above

The chords form a framework for what you play, rather than dictating what you play. Of course, you still do use the chords, but you use them a lot less. It’s a fairly big step to back off on the chords and just play the most important notes (and figures using those notes, plus others). Perhaps starting out with fewer notes might help this difficult transition. One can only hope.

RS2014 has both “Lead” and “Rhythm” arrangements for most of the songs (a few are only single arrangement). Rhythm is more chord-focused, but not exclusively, so you’ll still see individual note patterns supporting a rhythm section.

RS2014, however, doesn’t do a very good job at the “rhythm” part of rhythm…it picks out very well if you are playing the correct chord shape accurately, but does a poor job at measuring timing of the chord strums. For example, you can easily skip a chord strum and let it ring into the next strum or two, and the game won’t notice anything. It also doesn’t detect a muted chord versus unmuted very well. Bad for learning, great for creative expression :smiley: