Nor have you. In my experience, I have never heard a professor use that language and I was a poli sci major. Professors examine and attack ideas, not people.
The broader issue is that a teacher should not inject opinion into teaching. That goes from education, to indoctrination.
“President Truman fired MacArthur for insubordination” = fact
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“President Truman was a sniveling weaselly coward who fired MacArthur, the brave hero”* = opinion/indoctrination
BA (History, calling someone a supremacists or a terrorist is fairly common when studying some political figures), followed by MS (Library Science, at this point terrorist will primarily be reserved for the accounting department, but it does come up on occasion while studying hackable resources). Professors are not perfectly programmed android lecturing machines. Occasionally, things go off topic. If pressed I am fairly certain the professor could marshal plenty of examples in Trump’s behavior to back her statements. I suspect Trump’s little snowflake only reacted the way he did because he is incapable of marshaling arguments to defend his position. Looks like the Republicans are changing their minds on safe spaces, eh?
And there are also plenty who dont also. Fact is students do NOT feel the freedom to express viewpoints and this studyproves it. I knew to be very careful back in the day and it was better to just go along and pretend to agree.
Look, first of all the professor was just supposed to stay on her topic - sex. Instead she chose to go off an a rant against Trump and the people who voted for him. She wasn’t opening the floor to debate.
She’s a 66 year old veteran professor with a Phd. He was a 19 year old kid. who should be acting like the adult more?
Me personally? Not much because I dont live in that area nor does my kid go to that college. But you can bet that if I did I would have the right to go after a person who rants on about something she shouldnt. she is paid to teach about sex, not rant about politics or go after students views.
Well you know what, social media is here to stay and is a part of life. Now back in the day the most one could do was write a letter to the editor. Now one can post something for millions to see. That is why people put up videos of police, judges, and everyone else out there. So if a police officer can be videoed, why cant a professor?
And if she didnt want to be outed on social media, she should have had the brains to not go on a political rant.
People get on my case all the time because I defend expressions like “I could care less” or words like “irregardless,” thinking I don’t give a crap about how language is used.
I do. I save my ire for cases like this, where you’re trying to use words to mean the exact opposite of their meaning.
“Singled out” comes from the word “single.” The key part of singling people out is that you identify them one by one. Referencing people obliquely by describing an act in which they may have participated in negative terms is the opposite of singling people out.
So, no: she didn’t single out students. Unless she said, “You, douchebag in the back row with the baseball cap, I’m talking about YOU, you’re a terrorist!” If she did that, she singled students out.
Sure. For real. Professors giving opinions does not indicate that they’ll give you a bad grade. I engaged in sometimes fiery, sometimes protracted disagreements with professors. I once humiliated a professor in front of the class by laying out in tremendous detail why one of our class assignments was garbage.
I would have been shocked and outraged to see it affect my grades.
But being shocked and outraged by professors daring to state their opinions? Bah. Kids need to put on their big kid underpants and grow up.
I don’t, I don’t teach college. But I have no problem at all with a professor stating their political opinions, as long as they expect conversation about them.
How do you know she was not opening the floor to debate? My professors used verbal challenges to get us us to defend our ideas all the time and in a course on human sexuality, the opinions of a world leader on sexual behaviors and what effects it will have others is a very valid topic to discuss.
Well, the professor, of course. Which is why she is in charge of teaching a class, and he is the one whining about how much her words hurt him to his friends on social media.
What do you mean “go after”? If you mean that you would go to the school, and explain that you raised your child in a very protective environment, and that it hurts not only your child, but you yourself when and of those preconceived notions are challenged, and so could she please not say anything that might trigger your little precious one, that’s fine. You;ll be laughed at, most likely, and it will be obvious that you have never had any experience with the sorts of things that go on all the time in places of higher education, but that would be your right.
Going on social media and trying to drum up a mob to threaten her into complying with your wishes, that is not your right.
Easy answer there. A police officer is enforcing their views upon those in public. You have no choice as to whether or not to interact with a police officer. If he decides to abuse his authority, there is no way for you to remove yourself from the situation.
A student has many more avenues to remove themselves from the situation.
Then there is the simple fact that an encounter with the police can wind up with you beaten, publically humiliated, locked up, fined, or even killed.
I don’t think that even the most liberal of all professors has that authority.
What she said wasn’t really that big a deal, and you would have to be especially sensitive and looking to be offended to have more than a “meh” reaction to her “rant”. Fortunately for this kid, he had a bunch of people on social media who were completely prepared and looking for something to take offense to, so though she said nothing that is even all that exciting or interesting even, the right wing offenderatti took up the cause.
That’s their right and their prerogative. We all make choices in this world and live with the consequences. That’s the beauty of a free country and a free market. They’re free to tell him to piss off and he’s free to take his money elsewhere.
I object to LHoD’s rhetorical question of who’s paying the tuition, and the nickname “Sonny Boy,” clearly implying some sort of authority over the customer. I’ve corrected this misapprehension.
This particular pig is more equal than others.
The summary is wrong where you laughably claim telling others, even bosses, what you said is “assaulting your free speech rights.” No, sorry, but muzzling others about what you said in the public square is the assault on free speech. It’s ridiculous, silly, and contemptible to spin “I told everyone what you publicly said” as an assault on free speech.
You also err when you assign culpability for the death threats to anyone other than the people sending death threats.
And a point of order, here: Death threats are harmless. They’re empty. That’s why they’re mailed. Threateners threaten. Killers kill.
And they didn’t make you write an apology, did they? No, of course not, because conservatives are made of stronger stuff than that.
Because it ain’t in the syllabus. That’s the contract we both sign when I enroll in the class, receive the syllabus, and wait out the add/drop period. After that, you’re bound and I’m bound.
All things one should do. That’s exactly the right way to counter detestable speech like hers.
I think you misunderstood the story. The snowflake demanding the apology is against Trump.
Its a whoosh… or the stupidest cry to ‘fail me’ there is.
It might only apply to a mail-order diploma mill. His money is good at any University? With THOSE Transcripts? Get Thee to a Registrars Office. They NEED a good laugh.
Honestly, I haven’t heard such ridiculous tripe since that insurance commercial where the whiny bad driver totals his car, realizes he cheaped-out on his coverage, and then says smugly, “No… I need a Different Insurance Company!” :dubious:
Up next: “Oh No, I’m going to college to teach the professors…!” :rolleyes:
Allow me to correct another misapprehension: I never said either of those things.
Blame the kid’s lawyer: he’s the one who thinks the university is just trying to protect free expression.
Total nonsense. I didn’t assign culpability for the death threats to others; I said it was a predictable result of his actions. You share responsibility for the predictable results of your decisions.
As for “harmless,” that’s ridiculous. There’s a reason they’re illegal.
And yet we’re here complaining he has to apologize?
And yet there illegal, because some people DO follow through.
Manbaby is President and whining how everyone is SO MEAN.
She had it right. The Trumpy snowflake is being forced to apologize. The one against Trump is the one who got death threats.
How do we know he hasnt gotten death threats to? Would you be happy then?
She is a widely known sex ed teacher who is famous for doing things like bringing porn stars to class so I’m sure over the years she has gotten some nasty emails.
Again, she has a Phd and years of experience so she should know better than to go off on a political rant and call the president a terrorist.
Well its not exactly THAT definition but pretty close. This source says
"Two students in Cox’s class said she asked those who had voted for Trump to identify themselves.
“She tried to get everyone who voted for Donald Trump to stand up and show the rest of the class who to watch out for and protect yourself from,” said Tanner Webb, 21, of Huntington Beach."
So maybe not exactly singled out but she did point them out and tried to separate and shame them.
Sure, most professors won’t give their students a bad grade for holding different political opinions. But most professors won’t call such students terrorists, either. I would be reluctant to generalize from “most professors” to this one.
If that’s accurate, that significantly changes my opinion of the incident. Calling out students and shaming them is absolutely out of bounds.
My Opinion
- Recording lectures is and has been a legitimate practice as far back as i can remember of people attending university.
Why anyone would be against it i have no idea?
How is it a bad thing to be able to review a lecture in the same form the lecture took place? Study it, learn it, understand it, and not be hampered by the fact you could not write the notes fast enough, or that perhaps you need to hear something more than once to retain it?
Even in high school for some classes, kids would bring in cassette recorders where there was going to be a lot of lecture type information.
I see no reason to disallow recording a lesson or lecture.
- I as a teacher (I am not a teacher by the way) should not be having political rants in front of my class.
I may have all the opinions i want at home in my own house, but in the school my personal opinions stay at the door, once i enter the door i cease to be me, i am now Teacher.
If i am not teaching politics i should not be discussing them in class.
If i am teaching them, i have no personal opinion in them, just teach the facts and teach them fairly.
If i am a teacher, i am no longer a democrat or republican, conservative or liberal, Trump or Clinton etc until i get back home again.
So i should not be having any kind of political melt downs in my classroom.
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I should say nothing in my classroom that i would not proudly say live on CNN or MSNBC or what not. I mean it is a classroom, not my living room.
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University not = to grade school
No children in university only adults.
If something needs to be heard about what is happening in the class, go the right route
, not facebook or youtube.
You are an adult now, take some initiative and learn the right way.
Okay, read that article, and it ain’t that simple. The union rep says:
If that’s how it went down–and if she didn’t subsequently shame them by telling others to watch out–I’m far less concerned about her shenanigans.
Interesting, isn’t it, that the tape doesn’t contain evidence of that? Nothing on the tape is actionable, from my understanding. The charges about singling out and shaming might be (and IMO should be), but should be investigated using standard methods of interviewing students who were there.
So where are the chili recipes, already?
And?