All Cretans are liars.
I’m lying. And you misspelled a word there. 
In what key do you play 'Ukulele Lady?
There were some movies from that period which didn’t get done by MST3K. 
Personally, I’d like to hear how The Godfather is a more adult movie than Star Wars.
It has a cartoonish view of the Mafia. An adolescent, over-romantic take on crime in general. The people in the movie only know how to solve problems through violence. And the people are utterly incapable of operating in adult society. Their own warped “family” only holds together through force of personality and not meaningful adult interaction.
It’s basically a cartoon about children that found a stash of guns. It’s also well-written, well-acted, and well-directed. But it’s not exactly about adult themes. The Incredibles is a far more adult movie despite being an animated superhero movie.
Bingo.
the only claim that is always wrong is “I am never wrong.”
Speaking for myself, I think The Godfather had almost journalistic value (especially in 1972) in that it exposed a hidden corner of the world to the audience.
The Godfather (and Godfather II) are dramas about how a person who originally has high ideals becomes corrupted. Whether or not it is an accurate depiction of the Mafia is as irrelevant as whether MacBeth is an accurate reflection of the 11th Century Scottish monarchy.
Superman, the Movie*, one of the three best Super films ever, 1978.
But yes, Star Wars was groundbreaking. Would it have come out without 2001: A Space Odyssey almost ten years earlier?
Can we blame Star Wars for the terrible movie that is Moonraker?
And Star Wars is a hero’s journey of an immature adolescent on the edges of society growing into someone with high ideals.
Any movie that can be remotely called good will have archetypal themes. That doesn’t make them adult–it means they are able to tell a story we can understand. The Godfather and Star Wars both succeed on that front marvelously.
Adding sex and violence only turns a bad movie into an adolescent movie. And it doesn’t it turn a good movie into an adult movie. Anything worth calling an adult movie requires situations that are relatable to by actual, functioning adults and difficult for children to understand.
That’s somewhat fair, but if we’re going to judge movies at a meta level, then almost anything would qualify.
Have you seen The Godfather? Because the opening scene at the wedding includes meaningful adult interaction between Michael and Kay where he describes his relationship with his estranged family. Or how about the scene where Vito tells Michael that he never wanted him to have any part of the family business? Did you miss the end of the movie when Michael lies right to Kay’s face and he closes the door on her utterly shutting her out of the part of his life that involves the family business? The characters in The Godfather have a lot of psychological depth that is lacking in Star Wars.
I’d still rather watch Star Wars. I can’t get enough of those Jedi mind tricks.
How do you define adult when it comes to fiction? Because if you’re arguing The Godfather is essentially a cartoon you’re swimming against the stream, my friend.
Yes, contending that The Godfather is a children’s or adolescent’s movie is one of the most absurd statements in this entire thread.
“WOW Conservatives Hated Star Wars”
That the leader of “The Republic” was the main, big bad guy probably doesn’t sit well with Republicans…
Remember when they tried to hype how progressive Rogue One was in casting but then it turned out all the characters were basically stereotypes? The Hispanic character lied, cheated and stole. The Asian character knew all the martial arts. The white woman was overly-emotional but was still leader. The black guy died first.
I still liked the movie but that never sat well with me.
I don’t see why not; make your case that it marks a decline from the mature realism and subtle nuance of the one where Roger Moore pastes on a third nipple (“I admit, it’s a little kinky”) for his interaction with Chew Mee and Hai Fat shortly before he’s bonked on the head for a Hervé Villechaize kayo of — you! You’re that secret agent! That ENGLISH secret agent! From ENGLAND!
“Ah shore am, boy! Ever heard of Evel Knievel?”
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Remember, we’re talking here about people who saw “Mister Smith Goes to Washington” and thought Jimmy Stewart was the villain of the piece. They don’t like movies, they don’t go to movies, who cares what they think about movies.
I’ve never understood this interpretation. Perhaps it’s much clearer in the novels, but movie-Michael has never struck me as idealistic. He may have expressed some reluctance about becoming embroiled in the family business, but when it came time to step up, he did so with casual and brutal efficiency. The often-spoofed bit in the third film (“Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!”) strikes me as a comical, akin to “Oh, woe is me, I just have to start killing people again!” It’s almost like a serial rapist who laments about how women just keep coming on to him, so what can he do, he’s helpless to resist.