Wow, I hate ricers.

The BBQ Pit
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You know, my Beetle really needs a spoiler; the rear end gets a bit light and twitchy over a ninety miles an hour. And it is front wheel drive.

Now, I admit, it is a bit fast to be going, even on the three lane highway I know like the back of my hand, but not incredibly so.

And, I may ask, what is wrong with liking small, fuel-efficient cars that happen to have almost or over two hundred horsepower, provided by high RPMs and not simple size and displacement?

Is anyone who purchases or modifies a small, inexpensive sports car in the year 2003 unworthy of being an enthusiast? Or must we stick to the honorable Mustang as the only worthy vehicle? It’s the very latest thing, you know, with a chassis dating from 1984.

Perhaps we should purchase a nice thirty year old muscle car that pollutes like a decaying hog, steers like a dead cow, and brakes like a banana peel, has the NVH standards of a freight train? It’s a real car, after all.

No, seriously, I have nothing against muscle cars. I love them, and one day, I intend to purchase a nice Dodge Charger to rebuild from the wheels up. But they simply don’t compare to a modern car, except in a straight line, and they lack severely in daily use.

That’s not saying anything in praise of the people who slap Type R stickers on a Toyota, but you’re tarring an awful lot of people with the ugly stick just because of the visible behavior of a few.

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Sorry. The SN95 Mustang body (introduced, ironically, in 1994 as the 1995 model line) was a completely new ground-up design. Which really outperforms the “Fox-body” ugly-ass slab-sided models of the 1980’s and early 1990’s.

The SN95 is a very sound and good chassis, but that solid rear axle on it sucks. I know. It was a pretty car, too.

Until, of course, 1999 came in, and they uglified it up again. I’m just happy that I got the last good-looking Mustang made.

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I think most import, and hell, most modern cars are fucking rad. They’re clean, safe and comfortable, what the hell more can you want? They’re cute and, generally, make me very happy. I liek those. I like classic cars from the 50’s that look like Moby Dick, too. But, I can’t help but laugh when some bitch has a BMW emblem on their Honda, or 20 inch gold rims on a Cardboard box with no power steering.

Mostly, I was bitching about the mofos on <somejackassriceboard.org forum> who feel the absolute need to shit in someone else’s tuba to feel better about themselves. Those people just gave 95% of the internet using ricedrivers a bad rep in my books.

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The… Darn, you mentioned it. The solid rear axle on the Fox stayed through the SN95. I’m not entirely sure, and I’m sure you’re closer to the source on this, but I think there are one or two holdovers besides that. And I think the solid rear axle is a pretty darn big one.

On the other hand, I was walking through the parking lot near a McDonalds I know that has this amazing cruise night… GT350s/500s, 50s Mercs, what have you, and I heard this sweet, sweet, thumping. Turned around, and it was a Bullit Stang. First one I’d ever seen in person. They tuned that engine right… it sounds beautiful.

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I had a 1994 Mustang, and it was the best car I ever owned. Drove it for six years, with only scheduled maintenance. Good power, great handling, very comfortable. I’d buy another one, but I’m getting tired of driving a rear-wheel drive performance car on ice and snow, and here in Edmonton that’s about half the year.

But I like new cars. Look at the WRX - It get 227 HP out of 2 Liters, goes 0-60 in 5.4 seconds, has AWD, handles like a rally car, and costs $24,000. That’s a serious boost in performance and value over similar cars in the 80’s or 90’s. And those old muscle cars like the 1967 Camaro I owned are looking positively archaic.

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Sam… didn’t realize until now that we’re neighbours.

I just realized that one of the best things about the snow we just had should keep many of those annoying “doof-doof” cars off the road. Combine the noise they make with the reckless driving habits many of the owners posess and you have a group of drivers I am really growing to dislike. They’re not all bad but there’s enough bad ones to give them all a bad rap.

I was almost in accident with one of them last summer;

Two of these “Fast and the Furious” wannabees had lined up at the lights on 97th Street and 132Ave and I made a right turn so that I was in front of them. I was just cruising along, minding my own business and checked my rearview when I heard this hellacious noise. Here comes the two ricers, racing down 97th in the middle of rush hour and one of them looks as if it’s going to become a fixture on my bumper if he doesn’t back off.

Thankfully there was no-one in front of me…

I dropped the Thunder-chicken (T-Bird turbo coupe) into 2nd and buried it… the guy behind me came within a few feet of rear ending me before he clued in and hit the brakes but thanks to the trusty 2.3 litre turbo in my car that’s as close as he got. I was doing 90 when Doof #1 hit the brakes so they were moving pretty fast.

Thankfully, I can move WAY faster.

About that rear wheel / snow thing… I have posi on the T-Coupe and used to run Blizzaks and never had much of a traction problem. Mind you, the Thunderbird is better balanced than a Mustang which I find to be a little light in the rear end.

My T-coupe gets 200 hp out of a 2.3 litre turbo, corners like it’s on rails, and is immensely comfortable and economical. Not bad for a 17 year old domestic automobile that cost $24,000 when it was new?

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Hobbies are fine, but when your attitude about it makes you look like a fucking moron (as if the VTEC sticker actually does make the car go faster), then you deserve the ridicule you get. Stupid is as stupid does? Sometimes that’s true.

Esprix

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sigh

Do a search. I’ve posted on this topic numerous times. I hate ricers too.

However, a nicely painted mid 90’s Integra, or Civic… minimal (ore better, NO) stickers and engine mods to back up the look of speed… quite nice.

My roomate and best friend drives a 2000 Civic Si (with a VTEC sticker, 'cause he’s got it and most Hondas don’t) with his Jackson Racing Supercharger will eat most American muscle on the road, unless it’s also blown, or massivley massaged.

Of course, he rarely races on the streets. It’s dangerous, and we’re more likely to get pulled over for it that the Mustang 5.0 we’re eating alive anyways.

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I hate to tell you this, but the SN95 Mustang changed very little underneath from the previous fox body. Underneath it’s still mostly a 1978 Fairmont, at least until 2005 when the mustang will be based on a Lincoln frame (I believe).

lionel (who loves his '94 mustang very much)

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You know, we should start a floating car thread in GD. I mean, how can there be a greater debate than Ford vs Chevy?

On the other hand, the one thing I’ve noticed in the last four-five threads is that everyone strongly appreciates the WRX.

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Oh yes, rice mobiles. Not too many where I live. The super low profile tires and tiny wheels kill me.

It’s not like the engineers at Honda etal, knew what they where doing when they matched the tires and wheels to the suspension.

I’d like to see a real race between a new car that has been riced out and the exact same stock model. Allow the stock model to put better but original size tires on it. Kinda curious.

My fav is the low rider pickup truck. What a waste. I even saw a low-rider CJ-7 once. In the mountains.

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Honda engineers pick the tires based on 1- economy and 2- mileage and stability. While it is true that a smaller tire looks dumb if the car is not lowered, the trend has been towards larger tires for quite some time. The aftermarket tires/wheels are also usually quite a bit wider than the stock tires, offering better traction and handling.

The WRX… I’ve seen quite a few of them out at the track, and once folks figure out how to drive them properly, they will be a lot more impressive. An AWD turbo car should do better than a 15 flat quarter mile.

And yes, low rider trucks are some of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Tristan *
**sigh

Do a search. I’ve posted on this topic numerous times. I hate ricers too.

Sorry, I’m quite new, on THIS board, only been here about a week.

I didnt’ mean that the little “rice rockets” (IS that the correct term?), aren’t cute or anything, some of them are…

But I have never seen a bitsy little tin can that could come CLOSE to beating my 69 Riviera (430 4 barrel marine application carb) in action, OR looks for that matter.

Though “Truli” (the Riv), IS at this time undergoing serious restoration.

Now, that being said, YES they are cute, and I’m sure some, maybe many, of them are “fast,” but “muscle”? “bad”? “Classic” …

Ummmmm NO.

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Ah, Boy Racers.

I hope you never have to learn what the “No Fear” sticker in your rear windscreed actually means.

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LOL,I hope that was a reply to the “ricers fans” and not to me. Because:

a.) I’m a GIRL, and an OOOOOLLLD one at that.
b.) Trust me, after bearing and raising children, serving in the Air Force,just plain old “life” for the past 43 years,I underSTAND, “no fear”.

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I find some beauty in the Ricemobiles but I still think that people should be buying domestic. Help your economy out.

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Boy would I love to rent a Bigfoot and go crush all those ricer cars in the parking lot.

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What is with you people? There are enough real problems in the world. I’ll save my hatred for something other than people who drive vehicles of slightly different shape and configuration than mine.

Why do you care if someone wants to put stickers on their car? What’s the big deal if someone wants to lower their pickup truck?

If you think this is irrational behaviour, and yet you drive some old pollution-spewing muscle car that gets 12 mpg and can’t turn without almost tipping over, then I’m just going to have to open up a big ole’ can of rhetorical whoop-ass on your hypocritical self.

Different people like different things. Unless you drive a utilitarian sedan that only has enough power to go the speed limit and pass safely, you’re a hypocrite. If you drive a car that can go faster than is legal or safe, then you’ve spent extra money for no reason, and you’re a hypocrite.

Me, I’m a live and let live kind of person. I love old muscle cars. I love import sports cars. I love European sedans. I like muscular SUVs. And I don’t go around judging my neighbors and strangers by what kind of labels they like to stick on their cars or how high they prefer to set their gas shocks. These car wars are just assinine and ridiculous.

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Well first off I find it pretty pathetic that these guys sink every cent they have into some crappy econo car. I find it almost amusing that they try to make them look fast, billboarding them with the names of products that aren’t even in the car. I guess I think it’s a stupid lifestyle, but hey to each their own, I guess. What I really have a problem with is that most of these kids are wanna be gangsta thugs, they drag race everywhere, and are dangerous in general to my well being, and the well being of everyone else on the road.

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As opposed to those guys driving the 450 horsepower muscle cars, who are model citizens on the street?

Look, I grew up in an area where every teenaged boy wanted a Hemi 'Cuda or a 1969 Camaro Z-28 with an LS-7 454 in it. When I was making little more than minimum wage I took out a $3500 loan so I could pay for a killer 400+HP 327 for my Camaro. You think after spending that money I didn’t use the horsepower? I did. I did my share of idiotic street racing before I got wise and grew a brain. It’s pretty tough for a testosterone-laden 18 year old male to sit at a light and ignore the guy who pulls up next to you and revs his engine and gives you the finger -especially when every cent you own is sitting under the hood rumbling and saying, “Eat this guy for breakfast”.

So no, the criticism of ricers isn’t based on their street driving manners. It’s purely a clique-ish thing. They are different. They like different cars, and they like to appreciate them in ways you don’t approve of. It annoys you that some idiot can stick a shaker hood and a wing on his car and make it look faster than yours, even though you know that his is all show. You think it’s silly for these guys to festoon the front ends of their cars with ground effects chins and fog lights when the car itself can’t even get up to the speed where the ground effects stuff could even matter. Right?

I used to feel the same way. “Low-Riders” used to make me break down in giggles. Bouncing their cars up and down? WTF is with that? What a bunch of idiots.

Then one day I had a look at my own tastes, and realized how silly they must look to other people. Who in hell needs to put 425HP in an old 1967 Camaro? Why do people put bone-jarring race suspension in cars that will never see a racetrack? Why do people go out of their way to put soft, sticky high performance tires that wear out in 15,000 miles on a car that drives on roads that are unsafe for fast cornering because of debris on the road surface and potholes?

Nothing about being a car enthusiast makes a lot of sense. Just like it doesn’t make practical sense to fly sport airplanes, or collect stamps, or build intricate model railroads. These are HOBBIES, damnit. People enjoy them for their own reasons. YOU aren’t being forced to do it, so leave them alone, or even learn to appreciate the fact that they have a reasonably wholesome hobby that hurts no one.