And here’s where I note the original meaning of “Asia”.
I know all that - hence my (sarcastic) post.
I’ll offer a deal:
If people here stop using “Paki” then we’ll stop using “Oriental” 
I wasn’t aware that scientists frequently do things where they proudly state that they haven’t paid attention to previous research because who has time to read anymore these days?
The reason what you’re doing is unreasonable is that you’re acting like Fox News. You see a couple trigger words, fire off some half-assed opinion, and come up with bullshit reasons why you shouldn’t care about things like “context” or “facts.”
I’m not sure how Asian is more useful than Oriental for that purpose. I’m not sure if your hate each other argument is too convincing for a lumper either. Look at Europe. A whole continent of pasty white people and they still find ways to divide themselves up and kill each other.
That was a modified quote from the Big Lebowski.
This criticism makes no sense. Directions such as east and west are necessarily relative and you have to define a meridian as the centre point if you’re going to use them. We could make it less Eurocentric if we really wanted, but then it would be somethingelsecentric instead. Whether or not you head east from every point on Earth to reach East Asia is irrelevant to whether or not Asia is considered to be in the east.
So what would you like me to do, keeping in mind that I don’t see the smugness and I disagree with the idiot part because I feel I’m justified in doing what I did? I am lazy though
Like I said, people would get the analogy wrong. The point isn’t that I skimmed through his posts, the point was that I behaved according to a hypothesis I felt was valid. Given a set of actions you’re fairly sure has sufficient justification, if you behaved according to that justification, and you turned out factually wrong, so what? You didn’t do it on purpose, and with different facts you’d alter your behavior. I’d only apologize if I willfully did something wrong, and skipping part of a post doesn’t rise to that level because everything his topic told me pointed in one direction. So the most you can say is that I was tricked. I’m not apologizing for that
Eww, don’t compare me to them. Fox News is purposefully lying, doing it to bend a desired political outcome based on their intractable personal biases. I see words that usually point to one context and responded. I noticed nobody’s replied to my holocaust analogy. If you see someone’s thread title as “Holocause: real or fake?” you’d probably already have an idea of the type of person that is, I dare you to tell me otherwise. Same thing with this thread title, it points to someone who thinks “Oriental” isn’t an offensive slur. Substitute it for any number of slurs and you’d get my mindset after looking at the post.
Even if you read nothing more than a thread title, you are certainly justified in forming an opinion about the poster and topic. We all do that. But if you decide to participate in a thread, I think you owe it to the rest of the participants to be a little better informed about the details of the discussion.
I’d have you shut up in any case where you don’t read the whole thread before responding. Your opinions are not so scintillating and enlightening and goddamned important that everyone MUST hear them, and if you can’t be bothered to read what others say, do us the courtesy of not expecting us to read what you say.
I know I’ve said this before, but it surprises nobody that you didn’t read it the first time.
Everyracial term is considered by some to be derogatory,. I knew a young black woman, who got irate when called “Black”: " I am not black, I am a lovely shade of mocha!"
So, saying “xxxx is considered by some to be derogatory” is weak sauce indeed.
Thus, we cant use:
Balck
African American
Negro (pretty dated, but there’ still the UNCF)
or any term.
My Brazilian wife’s cousin moved to South Africa many years ago, married, and had a boy with blond hair, blue eyes, and totally white skin. I get a kick out of knowing that this fellow is a true first-generation African-American, through and through.
If that’s the only way you know how to interpret it, then go for it. Those of us with common sense manage to successfully avoid such extreme interpretations.
How did she refer to white people?
So how do *you *refer to them, and if so, why?
People.
People.
(Bolding mine)
:rolleyes:
My ignorance in the title would have been limited to a couple of posts but I was called out by someone else so I felt I should respond.
Well I can certainly make more of an effort to read things through, but I won’t stop posting if I don’t because like I contend: everybody does it and I had good reason to do it. Maybe I’ll be less honest about it since that apparently rankles you. I noticed you still haven’t addressed my assertion that everyone does it, either you don’t believe that or you want it to go away so people will think I have less of a reason to do what I did. If you care, that bothers me, probably moreso than what I did bothers you. Either have the grace to address an issue or admit you’re wrong, but people who dodge questions and pretend like nothing’s wrong are much worse, in my opinion, than someone like me who is occasionally lazy about a post.
Like I said to Troutman above, my ignorance would have been limited to a couple posts once I found out what I did, but it bothered you so much that you had to respond, sparking this whole argument. So if you’re going to keep talking about how it bothers you, maybe you can tell me how you apparently manage to never form an opinion on a thread by its thread title no matter what it is and have never skipped any text in any post you have ever replied to
I think this sentence is about nine words too long.
I realize “Oriental” is an outdated term, but is getting plastic surgery really an appropriate response?
“Oriental” just means “Eastern”. It’s not inherently problematic to refer to “Easterners” or “Asians”, and more than it is to talk about “Westerners” or “The West” or “Europe”.
That said, it does have an old-timey feel to it. It’s like when my mother in law mentions she met a lovely black woman yesterday. Yes, she noticed the woman’s race, and it’s not offensive to notice someone’s race, and she’s not prejudiced against the person because of her race. It just sounds wrong though, because it essentializes her race. I mean, she could talk about the lovely blonde woman she met yesterday, but she probably wouldn’t put it that way.