Now they are turning on each other. Scarborough says Beck is losing it on TV, before our eyes. That is not news.
You suggest that the GOP outright bribes people to get their agenda through. That puts you firmly in the camp with the thieves and liars that you (and I) believe them to be.
The difference is that you think this is a good thing.
I do? Cite.
From your own post #346.
- Must I repeat everything that you have stated?
OK. Here goes again.
You said this in support of republicans and how they get things done by using illegal tactics. You support this, so I assume that you support republicans that use such tactics.
1+1=2
Must be liberal math. I support getting things done that will actually help people. You need one vote. One lousy vote from the other side. Obviously, you go through all the options before you start thinking of bribes. You ask nicely, you present all the facts - ALL OF THEM: Good and bad. If there is still a benefit it should be obvious. Make the other side look and act the bad guys. Then when you have them against the ropes ask nicely again to see if you can find that extra vote. One of the last things you do is skirt the law to get what you want. Do the ends justify the means? Sometimes they do. Ask a family who lost their house because of medical bills if they would have minded someone getting a bribe to ensure they had insurance to cover their bills or the bills of others in similar circumstances.
Maybe a bribe wouldn’t have worked, because when the republicans have lied about it so hard that everyone now equates passing health care reform with a communist takeover of america, a deliberate effort to destroy all that is good, how could any of them side with it? It might be the end of their political careers. How much of a bribe would that be worth?
The republicans had strong ideological rigidity and groupthink. They were determined, no matter how many of their amendments were accepted, no matter how much good the bill might’ve actually done, that no matter what, not a single one of them would break ranks and support it.
For you to somehow write this up as a failure of the democrats - that they wouldn’t become corrupt enough to somehow break this, even if they somehow could - makes you an incredibly scummy shitbag.
I’m guessing you didn’t follow the last two years of the American Senate very closely, huh? The Republicans in the Senate simply voted in lockstep. I suspect McConnel threatened to dry-hump anyone who broke ranks. Actually more likely, he threatened anyone who broke ranks with loss of party funds and primary challenges.
Even the “liberal” Republicans didn’t peel off. You can’t win arguments with someone who is forbidden to acknowledge points or yield ground.
… and “failure to bribe” can hardly be described as a negative thing. Unless you have no moral compass.
Who’s failure is it then? It ain’t the Republicans because they accomplished what they set out to do. You needed one of their votes and you were in the majority. To say there wasn’t anything you could have offered one of your opposition members to come over to your side is outrageous. In Canada, Paul Martin offered a minister’s position to a conservative for her to cross the house and remained in power a little longer for doing so. What equivalent position could have been offered to a Republican in the Senate? Are you saying that Nancy Pelosi couldn’t have stepped aside to help the cause and that no one would have accepted her position? “Hey, Mr. Fence sitting Republican, we’ll give you the speaker’s position and continued support from our party if you change parties and cross the floor…” I guess you could call that scummy, but it isn’t unusual for similar things to happen in Canada. Your party wasn’t willing to die on that hill for that issue.
Oh, and if you want to call me a shitbag because your party can’t cut the mustard with majorities in the two legislative houses and a President in office, then by all means do so if it makes you feel better. Shoot the messenger like it would change anything.
In a many parts of the world bribes are an accepted practice. You just think it is wrong because normally it is done for selfish reasons.
There is a thread about shooting Hitler if you could when he was young. I haven’t read it, but say you could, at a key point of his life in his rise to power, for a million dollars (or whatever) have bribed him to come to America on the condition he go to art school and stay out of politics. Would that be wrong? Uh, that is pretty much a closed answer. Saying yes essentially means you are psychopath.
‘We could save hundreds, if not thousands of lives and a whole lot of grief and misery and all we have to do is give this one asshole $100K to change his vote’. Do you believe that a single payer system like Canada’s will save lives in the US? If no, then who the hell cares, if yes, then by not doing what is necessary to get that single vote you are sacrificing their lives for your morals or ethics.
We already know the guy willing to take the money has no ethics, but what does it say about the people not willing to do what is necessary to save lives for such measly sum? What about people not even willing to try?
And Paul Martin was roundly critisized for that particular move - and subsequently lost the election the next year. And what happened to Ms. Stronach, who crossed the floor? Although she retained her seat in that election, she left politics and did not run in 2008.
So ya. GREAT example you gave us there. Led to FABULOUS success for Paul Martin and his party.
And you’re not a shitbag because you say the Democrats can’t cut the mustard. You’re a shitbag because you think that they should have bought a vote with “a couple of hundred grand in a suitcase behind a dumpster”
Ah, so you want your politicians to do what is in their best interest, not the people they represent. Gotchya.
I know you’re trollin’ but c’mon. Are you just gonna phone it in now?
Sorry, no. Just pointing out that not only is it morally reprehensible, it is frequently personally suicidal as well.
Since self-interest is apparently the only thing that conservatives like you understand.
Not too long ago when a Messiah was annointed, the left was proclaiming the end of conservatism.
Conservative America seems to be doing fine.
November wasn’t too bad considering Pelosi’s gavel is no more.
Unions pissing and moaning surely is a good thing. It means that conservatives are in positions to oppose the greedy bastards. Like a baby getting a toy taken away before bedtime Unions and their lefty leaders are crying their eyes out. You can’t blame them because they don’t know any better. To them it’s just not fair. Some are even running away. They’ll cry themselves to sleep eventually.
There are many independents as well as party loyal Repubs that find many of the base values attractive and necessary at this time. You don’t have such a huge turnaround in the House without doing something to grab independents. The embarrasing way that the left handled things the last two years obviously turned off a lot of independent voters.
Try as it has, the liberal media cannot overcome the flow of information online and over the radio. I think that fact alone is what makes this wave of conservatism a strong force. People are able to go to several sources for information and come to forums like this and others to gather on their own instead of relying on what is spoon fed to em.
It could go several different ways over the next 21 months. I don’t see a strong candidate yet out of the republicans. I myself like Bobby Jihndal(sp>) out of Louisianna but I don’t know if is even old enough to run. (I guess it doesn’t matter since you don’t need a birth certificate(snicker)). I don’t think they can win by just running against the third Bush. You have to remember that President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho will have an entire race voting for him regardless of what he does. Hell, he could rape the statue of liberty and get that voting block.
Maybe the house will screw up. Both sides will blame each other if things get worse, but It’s too early who the public will assign it to.
Right now though, conservatives are in as good a position as libs.
That’s just my $.02
It wouldn’t be rape. She’d be into it. And then the Lincoln from the Lincoln Memorial would show up holding the Washington monument and Obama and Lincoln would be high-fiving while rockin’ Liberty like Chinese-mother-fucking-fingercuffs!
You’re overdoing it. You’re being too broad and obvious.
Jindal is not spelled Jihndal, he is 39, Louisiana is not spelled Louisianna, Obama has a birth certificate, and you misplaced the period in your parenthetical comment.
I, for one, am impressed.
Sorry. I still have issues with spelling and other typos.
A corpse man messed me up, but I’ll find him and get him to fix me. Even if I have to go all 57 states to find him.
Wow, Obama makes two misstatements over four years. And you manage to fuck up six ways in the same post.
What’s it like being stupid? Does it make you afraid all the time?