So I doubt anything I can say would change his mind just like noted atheist Christopher Hitchens whom I heard once say while nobody could prove to him there was a God, he also could not prove there wasnt one either. He also came up with Hitchen’s razor.
He died in 2011 so I guess he found his answer.
Answering a direct question instead of insisting that only Christians have the right to ask questions about Christ or replying to questions not asked might have an influence.
Aside from any questions of defining God and of arguments for and against the existence of any God meeting a specific definition: I didn’t say anything about proof. I was talking about certainty. Humans are perfectly capable of being certain about things they don’t have any proof for. There are people who are just as certain that God doesn’t exist as anyone else is certain that God exists; just as there are people who are equally certain that God wants everybody to follow some specific branch of Christianity as others are certain that God wants people to follow another branch of Christianity, or to follow Islam, or to follow something else entirely.
There is, or should be, no question that Jewish and Christian women of the first century provided service. The issue which I was addressing was whether women were permitted to preach and the evidence for or against such a claim.
My position is that I do not believe we have sufficient evidence for women preaching in the Christian community and that, as Christianity was a Jewish heresy, it most likely did not provide that opportunity. I have no problem with women engaging in all occupations, today, and I do not believe that my position is unassailable–provided further evidence s provided.
if there is no god he did not find his answer, only if there is one did he find an answer
Or perhaps he only answers questions which he feels are sincere.
There is that excuse too, I suppose.
I think my two cites make it clear that women did in fact provide service. True, Originally Christianity was a Jewish heresy, but Paul changed all that when he reached out to the gentiles, and didnt require circumcision, dietary laws, and what not.
Well, in my opinion, your questions are not sincere. I feel you seek to get him to make a answer which you would mock.
What is so convenient about comments like this is that as long an actual response to a question is withheld I have no possible way to prove you wrong. Your accusation is out there for all to see, and the actual answer to the question asked never has to be answered.
Interesting that your objection to when you are Just Asking Questions is that your purpose is to prove him wrong. Maybe that’s different from a question that isn’t sincere, but it’s close.
Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, and the only references known to any sexual sin was that He condemned it - adultery specifically, sexual immorality which is more generic but possibly included fornication, divorce (although one quote is absolute and others are more equivocal). The subject of homosexuality never came up, either because Jesus or the Gospel writers took it for granted, or because the subject was more or less unthinkable. It’s like abortion - it just wasn’t a thing.
It is sort of reminiscent of arguments about whether the First Amendment applies to the Internet and TV, or the Second only to flintlock muskets. Except you can’t amend Scripture, and there is no Supreme Court to decide.
Regards,
Shodan
Religions amend scripture through the use of interpretation-every single one of them.
Would you mind rewording this, because it makes it sound like I said that my purpose is to prove him wrong-I never said this. I never implied this. It wasn’t my intention at all to prove him or anyone else wrong when I asked this question.
Well, I can try. What you objected to was that you had no possible way to prove him wrong.
I assume “I” meant you and “prove him wrong” meant prove him wrong.
Regards,
Shodan
I am (obviously) not Czarcasm. But that reads quite clearly to me not as a desire to prove the person wrong who the genuine question was originally asked of, but as a desire to prove wrong DrDeth’s accusation of insincerity in asking it.
Exactly.
I am basing my objections and opinions on Czarcasm’s long history here of “Just Asking Question” whose purpose IMHO is to mock Christians and Christianity. He is a die hard atheist, he wont deny that.
I think you are basing your response on the image of me you would like people to believe. You repeatedly make this accusation, then point to the times you make this accusation as some sort of evidence that the accusation is true. Deny I am a “die hard atheist”? I don’t even know what you mean by that term. I am an atheist because I have yet to see any evidence as to the existence of any gods-is that what you mean by “die hard atheist”?
An important element of the Just Asking Questions approach is not to post, nor try to defend, a substantive position of your own. If that is not what you are doing, then what you said earlier about not having any way to prove that you’re not doing it is untrue. You could easily prove it by posting and explaining your answer to the OP, and your reasons for believing it. I don’t see that you have done that yet - just something about loving the one you’re with, and there is no evidence that Jesus ever said anything of the sort.
So, go ahead - since you are not Just Asking Questions, put forth a position and defend it.
Regards,
Shodan
I am not holding a position that needs to be defended. I am curious as to how those that profess to be Christian answer the question posed in the OP. I don’t know if I am supposed to defend being curious, or I am supposed to tell you what I, an atheist, think Jesus would say or do about gay people if he came back.
So tell me-Are you asking me the first asinine question, the second asinine question, or both asinine questions?