Bravo, @Cervaise. This post along with your follow-up really do a masterful job of summing up the relevant issues raised in this thread and explaining why exactly everyone got so worked up. Your distinction between how someone who thinks critically and someone who does not is quite profound. I hope the OP reads it and takes it to heart.
@miller, thanks for letting this thread continue. I did initially think nothing could really be added to this tired topic, but I believe this has instead been a worthwhile discussion. It’s actually kind of amazing that such profundity could arise from a spin-off Pit thread on such a tired topic.
When did you research the distribution of steel down the Twin Towers, including the basements?
Did level 105 contain the same amount of steel as level 5 which had to support the weight of 21 times as many stories?
How do Two Decades go by without lots of “experts” discussing that?
As far as I know there is NO Thread on any message board going over all of this.
We would need 2 tables of 348 numbers. Each tower had 116 levels. The North Tower was 6 feet taller than the South. What were the Tons of Steel in the Core on each level? What were the Tons of Steel in the Perimeter of each level? What were the Tons of Concrete on each level?
In May of 2008 Richard Gage, the founder of AE911Truth, ran one of his Dog & Pony Shows at the Chicago Circle Campus of the University of Illinois.
I was there! I got in line to ask him about the distribution of steel down the Twin Towers. He looked at me like I had grown a 2nd head and said that the NIST was not giving out accurate blueprints.
I had downloaded the NCSTAR1 report by the NIST in 2007. I have searched it hundreds of times for various information. The NIST does not even specify the total amount of concrete in the Towers even though sources did that before 9/11 because they were such famous iconic buildings.
So why haven’t physicists and engineers all over the nation that put men on the Moon been demanding data on such Simple Questions
You know where to find that distribution of steel and concrete data?
Years ago I regularly communicated with Lon Waters. He had a PhD in Applied Mathematics. He ran a website showing the cross sections of the core columns all of the way up the towers. He said that he could not find data on the horizontal beams in the core.
With most of the levels 12 ft in height and 47 columns the length of horizontal steel on each level should have been about 2 1/2 times the length of vertical steel. Did the thickness of the horizontal beams vary down the structures?
There are now 30 skyscrapers taller than the Twin Towers were. There are 130 skyscrapers around the world over 1000 feet tall. The Empire State Building is more than 90 years old. The Eiffel Tower is more than 130 years old.
Questions about the distributions of steel and concrete should not be difficult for structural engineers. The failure to raise these questions in more than Two Decades is now more interesting than the answers to the questions.
is more than 130 years old.