Yes, you *do* need the money that bad, you oversensitive twat. (Hooters for Neuters)

The BBQ Pit
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[QUOTE=bluethree]
For all of you who insist I absolutely can’t understand Hooters unless I’ve been there, will you please do your best to explain to me what I’m missing by not going there?
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What you’re missing is that you have failed to explain why, on the continuum from non-denominational church bakesale of hard-working blue-collar religious Iowans and Osama bin Laden why Hooters lies on the side of the line that says “we can only take money from these people on the sly.”

Their outfits are no worse than, for instance, a cocktail waitress in a casino. Would you accept a fundraiser from a casino?

Their outfits are no worse (and probably better!) than a bunch of cheerleaders doing a car wash donation/fundraiser. Would you give money to students dressed in skimpy clothing, getting wet and washing your car, as charity?

Their outfits are no worse than what you’d see on television in an advertisement for beer. Are beer companies not allowed to openly donate money to worthy causes?

Would you accept a donation from a lingerie show from, let’s say, Victoria’s Secret or Frederick’s of Hollywood?

Do you think it should be policy for all charities, political organizations, and public agencies to run background checks on all donators before deciding if they’re allowed to run a fundraiser for them?

It seems to me as if you have a thing about Hooters particularly, and I’d like to hear your answers on this so I can better understand if you’re applying your standards consistently.

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[QUOTE=Kalhoun]
Regarding whether or not Hooters is “family-friendly”, it is.
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Of course it is. Exhibit A: The waitresses are dressed like clowns.

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[QUOTE=you with the face]
Those uniforms make a mockery of “female sex appeal”.
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Worse than that: I think that they make the girls butts look funny. The diagonal line the shorts make draw the eye downwards and make their rear ends look artifically elongated. In short, it gives them Oval Ass.

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As a chick, I would like to say that I would far, far rather work for Hooters than for Hot Dog On A Stick. If I’m gonna wear some rigoddamndiculous outfit for work, I might as well get tips and have some fun with it.

I read the Hooters dress code when The Smoking Gun first posted it. C’mon people, it’s a t-shirt, gym shorts, white socks, white sneakers, and ugly-colored HOSE! And if you get a run in your hose you have to change em before you return to the floor! I’ve worn sexier stuff to school, and I’m a freakin’ grad student. Hell, I could easily wear sexier stuff to a presentation and not scandalize anyone.

So the chick pretends she’s into you. As an entry-level retail employee at Borders and Starbucks, I had to pretend that I was happy, cheerful, and interested in having a conversation with every customer, even if I had just bombed a midterm and gotten two hours of sleep before stumbling to work. At Borders, I didn’t even get tips for that. At Starbucks, the (completely optional) tips went into a general fund so everyone got an equal share.

Now, people have the right not to want to patronize Hooters. But when people who’ve never been there try to equate it to strip clubs and prostitution, that’s pretty sad. “I’ve never been there but it must be evil so you mustn’t go there either!” I don’t like Subway sandwiches, so I don’t go to Subway. I don’t try to stop other people from going there, however, and if Subway were donating money to a charity I’d cheer them on.

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[QUOTE=Dragonblink]
Now, people have the right not to want to patronize Hooters. But when people who’ve never been there try to equate it to strip clubs and prostitution, that’s pretty sad. “I’ve never been there but it must be evil so you mustn’t go there either!” I don’t like Subway sandwiches, so I don’t go to Subway. I don’t try to stop other people from going there, however, and if Subway were donating money to a charity I’d cheer them on.
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They have the same business model: "Come here and pay too much for everything for the privilege of gawking at chicks’ boobs. I have no problem with that, personally, but in the interests of full disclosure, I will insist on actually seeing the boobs.

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[QUOTE=saoirse]
They have the same business model: "Come here and pay too much for everything for the privilege of gawking at chicks’ boobs. I have no problem with that, personally, but in the interests of full disclosure, I will insist on actually seeing the boobs.
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You think you get to actually see the boobs for a 20% tip on an order of chicken wings? You’ll have to patronize a place with a slightly different business model. Bring lots of loose bills. :stuck_out_tongue:

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[QUOTE=saoirse]
They have the same business model: "Come here and pay too much for everything for the privilege of gawking at chicks’ boobs. I have no problem with that, personally, but in the interests of full disclosure, I will insist on actually seeing the boobs.
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Fat chance of seeing boobs at Hooters. They’re completely covered up with a tank top that looks like it was designed for a man! There is absolutely nothing sexy about their outfits. Yes, I see sexier get-ups on cleaning ladies. They don’t act sexy, they don’t look sexy and there are kids there all the time.

They don’t even make glorious gobs of money. It’s a fuckin’ average gig.

Bluethree, you are completely out of line or out of touch with what “sexy” is in modern America. On a sexy scale of 1 to 10 (as long as we’re talking scales) I would honestly put Hooters at about a 6. It’s THAT FAR OFF THE MARK. People go for the “sexy” once, and only once due to free advertising from the likes of you. After they see what it’s about, they either go for the shitty food or the sub-par ambience. It certainly ain’t the sex.

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[QUOTE=saoirse]
They have the same business model: "Come here and pay too much for everything for the privilege of gawking at chicks’ boobs. I have no problem with that, personally, but in the interests of full disclosure, I will insist on actually seeing the boobs.
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Hey, I’m with you there. If I feel like paying for boobs and food, I’ll hit up the lunch buffet at The Gentleman’s Club across the tracks on San Fernando.

However, the presentation of the boobs is very different at strip clubs. Hooters is more like the German restaurant I went to where the friendly waitress was in a tight shirt and a short, frilly skirt. She wasn’t pretending to be having sexual relations with a pole, or accepting large tips from patrons in exchange for highly sexualized attention. She was just there being sexy and friendly. (Far sexier than your average Hooters girl, given the lamentable Hooters dress code.) Did she make better tips from customers who were attracted to her? Probably. Is she at all like a stripper? Not really, in my opinion.

At least at Hooters, the theme of the restaurant is in the open. You know it’s a restaurant with pretty, friendly waitresses. The people who don’t want that kind of thing, or don’t want their significant others looking at that kind of thing, don’t have to go there. I certainly wasn’t expecting that short a skirt at the German restaurant.

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[QUOTE=DrDeth]
I notice that somehow :rolleyes: you left out the fact that the 'visiting training manager" (who doesn’t appear to be anyhing of the sort), was female. And, that she made such a statement in a female empowerment manner "*a trainer named Cat told waitresses that they were “the ones with the pussys and you are in control because of that.” * Which, I agree with. Her further statements (if true) were certainly beyond the pale, but it was just one co-workers foul mouthed opinion. Not in any way shape or form an opinion of Hooters of America Inc, which company isn’t even being named as a defendant.
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I left that out because I didn’t think it had anything to do with anything.

Thank you for providing Hooters’ response. That sure is different from what the guy alleged. Heck, he even lied about his job title.

May I ask why you addressed me as ‘honey’? I’m sure you were making some kind of point, but I don’t know what it was.

Same goes to King of Soup: why’d you call me ‘sweets’?

Kalhoun, I don’t remember making any remarks at all about what is sexy in modern America. Could you please point out where I said that? Thanks.

Fish, I didn’t say that Hooters falls on the same side of the line as Osama. I have never even said that I agree with the animal shelter’s policy in the matter. My point has been all along that the animal shelter has respectable reasons for not wanting to be associated with Hooters. As far as my feelings about Hooters in particular, I agree with Sabotello’s post. My main complaint about Hooters is that it poses as a family restaurant. As for who I would accept money from if I needed it, I’d probably accept money from absolutely anybody. Let them use my name to advertise themselves is another issue and I’d have to think long and hard about it. I’d take money from a drug cartel to stay alive, probably, but I think I might die before I’d let them have a fundraiser titled “Shoot up for Bluethree.”

BMalion, now I can’t even mention daughters and children because I don’t have any? That’s pretty harsh. Do you have breasts? If not, you can’t post in a thread about hooters.

Oh for fuck’s sake! What goes on in Hooters that I don’t know about? I assumed it was a normal restaurant, but now you’re making me think that they must have an hourly baboon jug band parade through or something.

Lute Skywalker, you certainly have me in a catch-22. You say I can’t understand Hooters without having been there, but I *would * be able to understand Hooters without having been there if only I were smart enough to understand what you are telling me in this thread.

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[QUOTE=bluethree]
I assumed it was a normal restaurant…
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Saying it’s a soft-core strip club is assuming it’s a normal restaurant?

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[QUOTE=bluethree]

I assumed it was a normal restaurant, but now you’re making me think that they must have an hourly baboon jug band parade through or something.

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:: glares at bluethree for reading my secret thoughts about future restaurant endeavors ::
:: puts on tin foil hat ::

::eats a buffalo wing ::

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[QUOTE=bluethree]
You say I can’t understand Hooters without having been there, but I *would * be able to understand Hooters without having been there if only I were smart enough to understand what you are telling me in this thread.
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Nice strawman.

I say you’d be better able to understand Hooters without having been there if you’d pull your fingers out of your ears.

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[QUOTE=bluethree]
Kalhoun, I don’t remember making any remarks at all about what is sexy in modern America. Could you please point out where I said that? Thanks.

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Well, you implied by your post that things at Hooters are overtly sexy, cheap, unfriendly environments to “family” and that they’re dressed too scantily to be anything but subservient, exploited women. I’m telling you that if you think anything at Hooters is even remotely sexy, you don’t know what sexy is in today’s world. Cute might work. Perky would be even better. Cheerleader-like is a possibility, except cheerleaders are sexier.

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[QUOTE=bluethree]
Oh for fuck’s sake! What goes on in Hooters that I don’t know about? I assumed it was a normal restaurant, but now you’re making me think that they must have an hourly baboon jug band parade through or something.

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You thought it was a normal restuarant? You thought it was a normal restaurant? It is a normal restaurant! That is precisely the point everyone in this godamned thread has been trying to pound into your head, and you just keep coming back calling it a “soft core strip club” and comparing it to Al Qaeda and NAMBLA, and now you say you “assumed it was a normal restaurant?” Well, what in the screaming blue fuck are you complaining about, then? Do you think Denny’s is a “soft core strip club,” too? What other normal restuarants do you think belong on the “same scale” as terrorists and kiddy diddlers? Roy Rogers? The Four Seasons? Arbys?

Jesus fucking Christ, you’re an idiot.

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[QUOTE=bluethree]
My main complaint about Hooters is that it poses as a family restaurant.
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But that is just it–it is a family restaurant that likes to project this image that it is naughty and dirty and all that. It really isn’t much more than a glorified Denny’s. It is a charicature of a dirty place—hell even the name is a dumb joke. Hooters–no we aren’t talking about tits we are talking about owls, wink wink. So they draw families in who think it is a family restaurant and middle aged divorced men who think the waitress is hot for them and frat boys in their first year of college who think they will see something wild. But it is a let down for all of those people–welcome to corporate America :slight_smile:

So when you keep insisting you don’t need to go there to understand the place–well I think you do. If you went to a Hooters and walked out thinking that the place was sexy—well I would be floored. I don’t think that is possible! :smiley:

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And they don’t “pose” as a family restaurant. THEY ARE A FAMILY RESTAURANT. You’ve been sucked into the same bullshit propaganda that communities across the nation got sucked into when the Women’s Prim and Proper League got up in arms about the NAME of the restaurant.

I hope you will go to Hooters and and report back on the shocking display of the senseless serving of food and unbridled sports viewing you come across.

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[QUOTE=Hakuna Matata]
But that is just it–it is a family restaurant that likes to project this image that it is naughty and dirty and all that. It really isn’t much more than a glorified Denny’s. It is a charicature of a dirty place—hell even the name is a dumb joke. Hooters–no we aren’t talking about tits we are talking about owls, wink wink. So they draw families in who think it is a family restaurant and middle aged divorced men who think the waitress is hot for them and frat boys in their first year of college who think they will see something wild. But it is a let down for all of those people–welcome to corporate America :slight_smile:

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Exactly…the only exploitation going on at Hooters is the money being pulled out of wallets to pay the bills for overpriced mediocre food; the men (couples, or families) who patronize and the female waitresses who work there are all there voluntarily, courtesy of a corporation seeing and filling a nitch in the market.

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[QUOTE=bluethree]

Same goes to King of Soup: why’d you call me ‘sweets’?
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Take your pick:

(a) Because I’ve secretly loved you ever since I discovered how much you hate the idea of associating sex with such innocuous concepts as “fun;”

(b) Because I have a low dating budget and I’ve been searching for a woman who can tell me exactly what any restaurant will be like before we’ve even seen it;

(c) Because your posts evoked an image of a large brown pile of something, and I charitably chose to assume it was chocolate;

(d) Because I thought it would be funny and ironic to address you with a feminine diminutive epithet, given your humorless and misplaced pseudo-feminist diatribe;

(e) Because it’s an innocent, silly compliment, and everybody knows you airheaded skirts dig that stuff.

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[QUOTE=The King of Soup]
Take your pick:

(a) Because I’ve secretly loved you ever since I discovered how much you hate the idea of associating sex with such innocuous concepts as “fun;”

(b) Because I have a low dating budget and I’ve been searching for a woman who can tell me exactly what any restaurant will be like before we’ve even seen it;

(c) Because your posts evoked an image of a large brown pile of something, and I charitably chose to assume it was chocolate;

(d) Because I thought it would be funny and ironic to address you with a feminine diminutive epithet, given your humorless and misplaced pseudo-feminist diatribe;

(e) Because it’s an innocent, silly compliment, and everybody knows you airheaded skirts dig that stuff.
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That’s fuckin’ beautiful!

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[QUOTE=levdrakon]
You think you get to actually see the boobs for a 20% tip on an order of chicken wings? You’ll have to patronize a place with a slightly different business model. Bring lots of loose bills. :stuck_out_tongue:
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Which is why I think it’s stupid to go to restaurant organized around gawking at boobs where they won’t actually show you boobs.