Furthermore, in their eyes, screwing fellows and then inveighing against homosexuality isn’t hypocrisy: it’s succumbing to temptation – as all humans do because we’re all sinners – and then making up for that failing by penance and righteousness. That’s how you’re supposed to behave when you sin.
To them, whether consciously or unconsciously, “gays” aren’t people who want to have homosexual sex; ‘gays’ are the ones who’ve ‘fallen’ and decided there’s nothing wrong with homosexual sex.
I didn’t think about it until now, damn you! 
We were just talking about these studies in another thread and you said they don’t say anything about sexual orientation. But now you are saying they do. Hrm.
So I guess I’ll repeat what I said in that thread. I don’t think these studies necessarilÝ show that “homophobes” are more likely to be gay themselves because of a confounding variable–the degree to which a person is turned on by seeing naughty things.
Regarding some posters’ questions on what’s the illegality, as far as I can tell he is not being criminally charged of any form of sexual assault on a minor, he’s being subjected to* civil lawsuits* by people who feel he harmed them. Depending on the jurisdiction, there may be cases in which certain facts may make a sexual conduct “wrongful” for the purpose of civil liability, based upon one of the parties being in a position of power, authority or trust over the other, even if the person was above the AOC but still a legal minor for most other purposes.
Right. In that worldview, homosexual sex is but one of the various specific forms of the general temptation/sin of Perverted Sex. Then everyone, I mean *everyone *is tempted by Perverted Sex, and sometimes you’re specially vulnerable to one form and the answer is to fight it even more fiercely (even if suffering repeated “relapses”).
And that’s precisely why homosexuality is viewed (by them) as a choice. Because they are actively choosing not to be gay.
I don’t know of the study you cite but it seems it might be the other way around. The more sexual arousal from seeing gay porn, the more expressed homophobia? Because there are some very straight people who just hate gays.
As far as I am concerned, homosexuality is not a choice, it is not a sin and it is not anyone’s business unless invited. But I’ll posit, and no doubt be less popular for it, that it is not necessarily dishonest to condemn as a sin an act to which which one has been personally tempted, or even committed. It is dishonest to commit such an act, or be tempted, and then deny it, but even dishonorable actions and motives can be disavowed without quite reaching a state of hypocrisy. A thief might acknowledge stealing is wrong and deny stealing and be convicted of larceny but not hypocrisy.
It strikes me that, if the bishop is guilty, that he is blameworthy for his actions but also is a victim of the same anti-gay bigotry condemned by those busy condemning him. The difference between Eddie Long, and the marchers and the martyrs of gay America, is that he lost his struggle against bigotry, probably long ago when he was too young to defend himself against forces much too close and much too strong.
I’d like to suggest that it’s possible that this convenient target suits the bigots just fine, because it keeps the opprobrium focused on the sinfulness of a particular kind of sex, and not the sinfulness of society’s disowning an innocent subset of itself.
I didn’t say that. I said the people who did the studies didn’t draw any conclusions. I personally DO draw that conclusion.
The guys who say they hate gays get boners from seeing gay porn. I’m not sure I understand your distinction here.
Ah. Ok then. Well, I think that’s a stupid conclusion to draw unless you have some evidence to explain the confounding variable, but suit yourself.
I think your “confounding variable” is completely ad hoc, unproven and frankly, kind of silly. They’re turned on by stuff that’s “naughty?” What is the sceintific definition of “naughty?”
It’s also a distinction without a difference. If they are turned on by naked dudes, then, by definition, that is a homosexual attraction since orientation is defined by attraction. If they’re attracted to schlong, they’re attracted to schlong. I’m really not sure I’m able to parse any meaningful distinction between being attracted to it because they’re attarcted to it or atracted to it because it’s “naughty.” Either way, they’re attracted to it.
… keep it up, my new zero emission motor is almost cranking over on it’s own.
What?
Does “turned on by” a picture of a particular activity necessarily equate to “attracted to” the type of person in the picture? Is it possible to be aroused by something that one doesn’t wish to engage in?
Dio, I’m not daying there’s an objective way to define “naughty.”
I would bet that homophobes find gay sex to be naughty more often than do non-homophobes, because the belief that gay sex is a bad thing to do is part of the definition of homophobe. So, when a homophobe’s dick gets hard when watching gay porn, it could be because that particular homophobe gets turned on by watching naughty things, not that they get turned on by watching guys have sex or seeing naked men.
So, you can’t reallý say that the fact that the homophobe’s dick got hard when watching gay sex means he is gay. He could just be getting turned on by watching somethging that he feels is the wrong thing to do.
One way to eliminate this confounding variable would be to find out what else the homophobe thinks is naughty and see what his dick does when he watches that.
I, for one, can hardly wait to find out what a homophobe’s dick does when he sees other naughty things. Where can I sign up to fund the study?
Be sure to let us know if your results are any different.
There’s also the possibility that the homophobe who’s dick twitches while watching gay porn really has a “shit tied to my junk” fetish. Anyone consider that? Hmmmm?
‘LongFellows Youth Academy,’ you’ve got to be shitting me.
How were the test sample chosen?
In a comment about paddling wayward teenage boys brought to him by their mothers, Long boasted “When I say bend over, even on Sunday, they bend over …”