Yogsosoth, help me get a dog to neglect

[YogSothoth]

@Lucretia

However, one thing I knew, when she was a puppy, was that she must never, ever, growl at me, bite, or think she was in charge in any way. To that end, the very first time she tried to growl at me for touching her food, I did a dominance roll, and when I fed her for a month or so after that, moved the food randomly while she was eating, making it clear that I controlled her food, I was in charge, she ate when I said, and she didn’t get to say anything about it.

No, you don’t seem to have realized your own point, sorry.

We got our dog trained already. It was housebroken, it knew some tricks, and that’s it. We did not get her as a puppy, we did not train her not to bite. What you are saying is that you can TRAIN a dog not to bite and growl, but we didn’t do that. So as far as I’m concerned, that was normal. What you just said has no way to do with my situation because you took the time to train her not to do that. Our dog was untrained, so she did that. You are trying to conflate your training with what’s normal, completely forgetting that without training, your dog would probably still be a normal happy dog, only one that still bit because she wasn’t trained not to

So yeah, my untrained dog bit. That’s normal. We didn’t train her, we accepted that she bit

@Lucretia

. Do you not think that the fact that the vast majority of people think your dog-owning circumstances are pretty shitty should make you at least think? Or do you think that it’s you that are right and everyone, everyone else is wrong? Because if you think the latter, then I’d start looking up personality disorders online, to see if you have any other defining characteristics.

The vast majority of people responding to my post substituted their own reality for what was fact. Then they extrapolated an ideal of what they would like versus what actually is. Read the original thread and you will see the kind of people who actually read and understood my OP like saje gave advice that took into account my situation. People like miss elizabeth, bless her heart, thinks that my dog should eat my family. That’s the vast majority of people who are responding to me

@Guinastasia

I think this about says it all, doesn’t it? “Teasing your pet” to me means pretending to throw the ball or the stick and seeing if they run after it. It doesn’t mean blowing into plastic horns so it hurts their fucking ears. No wonder the dog used to bite you. I’d bite you too if I were your dog.

Ha! Wow! You are good! I was trying and trying to see how people would misinterpret that and I could only come up with a lame attack that people are going to have a problem with me teasing the dog, but you…YOU have went above and beyond! Suddenly its not just me blowing a weird noise out of a tube but I’m suddenly hurting their ears at the same time! Even I would take some time to come up with that theory!

Let me tell you about what I did. This was a long plastic pipe thing, I think it came from a part of the house. It was like 5 feet long and I used to hold it against my mouth in one end and make weird noises. Sometimes I talked out of it, like what a child may do with a long cardboard tube. At no time did I put the pipe in her ear and blow in it until she was crying in pain. I talked out it, said “Hallloooo!” and stuff. Any noise out of it and the dog would bark like its an evil entity. I wasn’t hurting the dog with it, I was just making my voice sound weird. But kudos to you, you saw right through that right? I must have taped the fucking thing to my dog’s head and stuck a vaccuum cleaner on the other end because hey, how else could I, a person worst than Michael Vick, have fun with my dog if not to cause it blinding pain! It must get me off, right??

You’re a fucking joke, you know that?

@Guinastasia

My dog’s become rather cranky as she gets older and tends to snap. The difference is, we don’t just throw up our hands and say, “oh well, dogs bite!” No, she gets yelled at. We also don’t tease her, or definitely don’t try to challenge her over her food. That’s the very thing that WILL cause a dog to become aggressive*.

Another point there for reading comprehension, am I right? Cause I did say that I teased the dog mercilessly and never let her sleep and slapped her around with her food all the time, right? I certainly didn’t fucking say that she growled and bit when we tried to do that so we stopped. But hell, reality’s no fun, its much more fun to pretend someone said something and then react to it.

Oh hey, by the way, sorry to hear that you lost your legs to a cannibal, because that’s what you said right?

@Guinastasia

*The main problem we have is trying to groom her. She won’t let anyone trim her face anymore. She used to, but like I said, the older she gets, the crankier and more stubborn she is. And she only lets my mother bath her. We tried taking her to the groomers, she wouldn’t let them do it either.

Oh you FUCKING ANIMAL ABUSER! I can’t believe you didn’t train your dog not to bite! You’re a sick bastard, and I wish all the animals of the world would eat you alive, you twat! How could you not fucking groom your dog? Don’t you know that EVEN DOGS GET HOT? Why didn’t you do more for your dog instead of letting it suffer through heat stroke in the sun? You’re the type of person waterboarding it made for because you didn’t do everything up to and including spending thousands of dollars to make god damn sure you didn’t cause your dog the least bit of stress! You monster! This isn’t a pet we’re talking about, a DOG IS A MEMBER OF THE FAMILY! Would you let your kid or brother or parents go unshaved if they couldn’t do it themselves? Animal services should take your damn pet away and you should never be allowed to have one! You can’t even teach a dog not to get cranky and now it won’t be bathed or trimmed? I hope you die!

[cochrane]

@YogSosoth

I hope you die!

I am now utterly convinced this guy is trolling us in both his threads and not even worth replying to any more. Please stop feeding him, people.

[MsWhatsit]

It’s funny how you can see someone’s user name around for years and have a vague sense that they’re just another poster, nothing out of the ordinary, and then you get one of these threads that reveals them as a borderline-retarded troll. So now I’m like, wow, has he always been like this and I just never noticed? But I don’t care enough to go back to old threads and check. This one is really more than enough.

[kayaker]

@YogSosoth

Babies are different, its human, first of all, and you can’t drop them off at a shelter, at least not as easily. I’d help, but I wouldn’t suddenly become Mr. Mom. I’d put in the minimal level of commitment I’d have to in order to keep it alive and not suffering but I’m not going to be suddenly taking it to Disneyland or something.

wait. . .if you are seriously considering fathering a child with your sister, I ask that you reconsider.

[PlainJain]

Not really seeing the outrage. You might not agree with his views regarding pet ownership but he isn’t getting one.

Living at home at 32 is irrelevant, imho.

[Ike_Witt]

This is the only dog that can be safely recommended for the nightmare conditions it would be living in.

[YogSothoth]

@cochrane

I am now utterly convinced this guy is trolling us in both his threads and not even worth replying to any more. Please stop feeding him, people.

Hobgoblin

@MsWhatsit

It’s funny how you can see someone’s user name around for years and have a vague sense that they’re just another poster, nothing out of the ordinary, and then you get one of these threads that reveals them as a borderline-retarded troll. So now I’m like, wow, has he always been like this and I just never noticed? But I don’t care enough to go back to old threads and check. This one is really more than enough.

Funny, I feel the same way about you. I didn’t know you and many others were half-human, half-animal hybrids dedicated to replacing mankind with our animal equals. Now I know better

[wonky]

@YogSosoth

We weren’t interested in training her any more. She didn’t poop everywhere and knew some tricks. We just didn’t try to grab the food bowl, so we both were content with that arrangement

I thought your mom was afraid of dogs and had been bitten?

In any case, you seem to be acknowledging that the dog biting was something you could have controlled, not something like innate and immutable, and that’s what I was hoping you’d be able to see.

[YogSothoth]

@jsgoddess

I thought your mom was afraid of dogs and had been bitten?

In any case, you seem to be acknowledging that the dog biting was something you could have controlled, not something like innate and immutable, and that’s what I was hoping you’d be able to see.

She was bitten by a different dog about 7 or 10 years before we got our dog. It was a much larger dog too and bit her on the leg and thankfully nothing else. Ever since then she’s been skittish around dogs, but smaller dogs she can handle

We got our dog when she was already a few years old. I think we are talking over each other a little. If I can paraphrase what you’re trying to say to me, you are telling me that I seem to assume the dog’s nature is innate, and that is wrong, and its biting is due to factors that I could have controlled had I been a better dog owner

If that is all there was to it, I would totally agree with you 100%. However, I think you’re missing out on a couple of things. One is that while I think that biting is a normal thing to do, there is “excessive” biting and a “normal” amount biting. Yes, probably with more training than we were willing to go through, we could have gotten the dog, or any dog for that matter, to not bite. But we were fine as long as it didn’t excessively bite. Maybe you think dogs need to be totally trained not to bite. For us, it was simply a matter of obedient enough. We weren’t training a super dog, we just wanted one that was fun to hang out with. So going overboard in controlling its biting wasn’t something that we felt was a good use of time and money, so it was stopped (or to be more accurate, never started since the dog came with training) at a point where we were comfortable with

With a new dog, I feel we probably may be the same way. As long as it didn’t bite me all the time, I’m fine with it being pissy if I try to take away its food. That is what I think is normal, a level of aggression existing in all animals. We don’t need to pacify our dog completely, though it would be nice. I just don’t think that would be a good use of our time

[fluiddruid]

It’s actually not hard to train a dog not to bite if you do it from an early age. All I did was just say “Ouch!” loudly and look hurt when I was bitten, eventually you work up to doing that even when they soft-mouth you. You don’t need to do anything special, just during normal playtime with the dog. It’s a good safety precaution in case the dog is ever around kids, who are a lot more fragile, and if a protective adult sees a dog’s mouth on a kid they can tend to overreact. My dog will sort of mouth around my hand during play, but doesn’t actually bite me, even without pressure (barring actually missing the toy, but if I say “Ouch!” he immediately stops and will come over to lick my hand, it’s rather sweet actually). This is a good thing to teach because biting humans should be discouraged – you can’t guarantee a stranger, or a vet, or whomever won’t get bitten if the dog is truly frightened, but it does make that much less likely.

FWIW a dog shouldn’t be aggressive when you approach his food, it’s a safety issue. It’s not a good idea to tease the dog repeatedly, but for training purposes, when he was a puppy, I did take his food away a few times to see if he was food-aggressive. Fortunately he never had any signs of a problem (he will growl at the cat if he tries to steal food, but humans can take the bowl away at any time). It’s handy in case he has something in his mouth he doesn’t want to give up but is dangerous for him to have, as he won’t ever snap aggressively or anything like that. Also, not just for me, but what if he was at the vet overnight or something, I don’t want to worry about him biting somebody.

I understand that a little play-biting is not a huge deal, but I always figure, it’s better to be safe than sorry. I’m not worried for me or my family, just about contact with others who may not understand dogs. I don’t want to worry if a stranger is watching him or interacting with him, and even when just out for a walk, it’s not uncommon for kids to come over and want to pet him (or even not ask and just grab at him or chase him anyway). There’s no reason a dog has to bite to have fun – we can wrestle, tug-of-war, whatever and he gets plenty excited, just no biting. He’s learned that toys are for biting and chewing, not people. I don’t think he’s totally pacified, he just knows what the rules of the pack are – he definitely is plenty assertive during playtime, or when it’s 20 minutes to dinnertime.

[wonky]

@fluiddruid

FWIW a dog shouldn’t be aggressive when you approach his food, it’s a safety issue.

Yeah, and this goes for big AND little dogs. You have to be able to control the dog, for everyone’s safety, including the dog’s.

[fluiddruid]

@jsgoddess

Yeah, and this goes for big AND little dogs. You have to be able to control the dog, for everyone’s safety, including the dog’s.

Yeah, definitely. A lot of small dog owners don’t seem to worry as much about biting or aggression because the dog is less threatening, but it’s not a good idea. They can still be little horrors. I see it a lot at the dog park – the big dogs know not to act threatening, but the little dogs will bark and snap and the owners do nothing while they provoke fights.

The most dangerous dogs I’ve ever come across were a pack of untrained, aggressive whippets owned by a really bad owner. They were a menace, harassing people but especially lone, submissive dogs of any size. I literally had to get a stick and wave it aggressively – about to beat them off violently, if need be – because they had pinned the dog I had brought (my sister’s basset hound), who was submitting, and they wouldn’t stop biting her even though she was on her back and shrieking in pain. The owner tried to yell at me and defend his dogs, fortunately several other people told him what for and he just muttered something and walked off. After they did this to several other dogs (in the course of a few visits), they finally injured one enough to draw blood, and the police were called. He was ejected from the park (he didn’t buy the permit, of course) and I had never seen him since. Hopefully he was barred.

That said, most people at the dog park are responsible owners. I’ve had countless great experiences and only a few bad ones. It’s a great, easy way to socialize your dog from a young age and exercise them too.

[YogSothoth]

@fluiddruid

It’s actually not hard to train a dog not to bite if you do it from an early age.

We’ll certainly try if and when we get a new dog. The old dog was a few years old and pregnant when we got her.

[SnakesCatLady]

Please stop recommending that the sister get a cat. The parents don’t want a pet in the house, so it would be an outdoor cat. Depending on the area, this isn’t a really safe life for a cat.

Or it could be like the one who has taken up outside my house, and just find a home it likes better. She is actively trying to convince me she is not only a house cat, she is MY house cat.

[wonky]

@SnakesCatLady

She is actively trying to convince me she is not only a house cat, she is MY house cat.

And the sooner you realize it, the better!

[Sister_Vigilante]

If they both live at home they are still under their parents’ rule. And they don’t want the dog.

Solution: Don’t get a dog. Period. End of story.

Getting one and ignoring it outside 24 hours a day will torture it. I know because when I was a kid and we got new carpet, Dad kicked the dog out to live outside the rest of it’s life, summer or winter. By the end she didn’t even know we were her owners anymore and avoided/ignored us completely, although she never left her spot right next to the front door, where she slept.

Of course that’s probably what you want. But I don’t see a problem with letting a dog nap at your feet while you’re playing WOW. You could reach down and pat him or something, every hour or so. It only takes a second from your looting.

[Miller]

@YogSosoth

I hope you die!

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[fluiddruid]

@SnakesCatLady

Please stop recommending that the sister get a cat. The parents don’t want a pet in the house, so it would be an outdoor cat. Depending on the area, this isn’t a really safe life for a cat.

Or it could be like the one who has taken up outside my house, and just find a home it likes better. She is actively trying to convince me she is not only a house cat, she is MY house cat.

My mom didn’t believe in indoor cats when I was a kid – in college, she ended up killing my (indoor) cat by letting him out against my wishes while I wasn’t home, and he got struck by a car. But, the point was, we had a cat growing up that was an indoor/outdoor cat, and we found out that he actually had convinced another family that he was their cat, too. They would “let him in” in the mid-morning and “let him out” evenings, and we did the reverse. We wondered why he kept getting so fat despite a strict diet. Thought he was killing birds or something.

We eventually found this out because the neighbors went on vacation. They had accidentally locked the cat in the garage for about 2 weeks. No idea how he survived, but we thought he’d run off or gotten hit by a car. Turned up weeks later, looking starveling and cross. My mom heard the story through the grapevine of neighbors about how they’d accidentally locked their cat in during the same time and the mystery was unraveled.

Sad kitty. No more double feedings.

My mom has since recanted on the ‘letting the cat out’ thing and her current kitty is inside-only.

[elbows]

Staying with Mommy and Daddy into your thirties, dulls and numbs, that natural drive and ambition to achieve independence. A crucial threshold to full adult hood. Like exposure to language, if you lack exposure to it, at the right time, you’ll struggle your whole life.

The proof, that’s it’s numbing the brain, is the onset of rationalizations, (‘I like it here, why would I leave?’ ‘I’m comfortable.’ ‘I don’t need to leave to grow up!’) And it only gets worse as the years slip by. “Well I wouldn’t want to be involved with anyone who found my living at home a deal breaker!” This stuff is only okay, because they’ve begun to delude themselves, that it doesn’t matter that they still live like a teenager, while their peers are gaining valuable experience as adults. Delusions like WoW is a commitment. Um, not in the real world, only in teenager world. Commitments are cancer treatments, parenting and pet ownership.

I’d tell you to grow up, but I fear that ship has sailed for you. So, instead, I’ll say Good Luck and enjoy your delusions!

[YogSothoth]

@Sister_Vigilante

If they both live at home they are still under their parents’ rule. And they don’t want the dog.

Wrong. They may not actively want one but they are not opposed to one. Big difference

@Sister_Vigilante

Solution: Don’t get a dog. Period. End of story.

Sorry, changing the premise of my OP isn’t going to change reality

@Sister_Vigilante

Getting one and ignoring it outside 24 hours a day will torture it. I know because when I was a kid and we got new carpet, Dad kicked the dog out to live outside the rest of it’s life, summer or winter. By the end she didn’t even know we were her owners anymore and avoided/ignored us completely, although she never left her spot right next to the front door, where she slept.

There must be some kind of internet rule that says that as an argument is drawn out ever further from its original intent, strawmen become bigger and more extreme. At least most people in that first page in the original thread said that I was only harming the dog by leaving it out for hours. And then it became most of the day. Now you saunter in and say I not only will make it live outside for 24 hours a day, but I will be ignoring it when I specifically said I’ll try to play with it a bit, but no more than an hour, and that when its cold, or rainy, we let the dog sleep inside.

Seriously, what do you hope to accomplish with that? Are you just venting? Do you think utterly misinterpreting what I said will make me change my mind? What is the mindset of people like you? That I’m going to think “Hmm, that’s not what I said…but I COULD be saying that! Gadzooks, they’re right! I better change!”

Here’s a suggestion: its easier to get people to listen to your argument if you don’t misrepresent their points

@Sister_Vigilante

Of course that’s probably what you want. But I don’t see a problem with letting a dog nap at your feet while you’re playing WOW. You could reach down and pat him or something, every hour or so. It only takes a second from your looting.

I could, that sounds fine. I don’t think a dog is going to sleep that much though but I’m open to that

@Miller

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Sorry. Do I get any leeway by pointing out that that whole paragraph was a parody of how people are jumping to conclusions about my posts? How people take my “the dog will be an outside dog” and conclude “you’re going to leave your dog outside to die”? Guinastasia didn’t doesn’t trim his dog’s face anymore because its cranky and won’t let them. Given that premise, I know for a fact that he’s purposefully harming the dog, probably poking her eyes with scissors, and that and ONLY that is the reason why the dog doesn’t want to be trimmed. Everyone know just knows, KNOWS, that a well-adjusted dog will of course let someone trim their face! If the dog suddenly started to avoid that, then it must be the human’s fault and Guinastasia is obviously hurting the dog. I wonder why he doesn’t take the dog to a groomer instead of letting the dog live in its own hairy filth

@elbows

Staying with Mommy and Daddy into your thirties, dulls and numbs, that natural drive and ambition to achieve independence. A crucial threshold to full adult hood. Like exposure to language, if you lack exposure to it, at the right time, you’ll struggle your whole life.

Yes, we all know what YOU think, because you never fail to mention it in any topic, either pertaining to the subject or not, about how you would never ever date a guy who lives at home and that there’s obviously some huge underlying issue for it. Why don’t you make another topic ranting about it? You’re probably hiding some deep seated issues yourself, maybe someone you knew was like that and happened to prick you the wrong way, so now you blame it on something totally irrelevant. This topic is about my dog abusing…I mean, dog loving, sorry. Not your daddy issues.