You Awake the Morning Following the BEST Sex of Your Life. . .

In My Humble Opinion
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[QUOTE=Eve]
Yep, that’s about it. 20-some years on the dating market taught me it just was not going to happen. Look how hard it is for non-trans people to find The Special Person! Add Baby’s Little Secret into the mix, and, well . . . Fortunately, I am too old and fat for anyone to think of in that way anyway, and I am contentedly settled into spinsterhood.

It’s just not very pleasant to be reminded (as I was in a recent thread) that “I make people throw up,” is all.
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I’ve seen your picture, Eve. You’re not fat and you’re very attractive.

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Well, I consider myself totally straight - never had sex with a woman (snogged a couple), however, if I woke up from the best sex of my life and it was a woman beside me, I’d demand that she do it again.

What do I care? I mean, I like women - I enjoy their company. I’ve never been attracted to one but never say never, right?

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[QUOTE=Eve]

It’s just not very pleasant to be reminded (as I was in a recent thread) that “I make people throw up,” is all.
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Ouch! Fuck 'em, Eve.

Per the OP: Waking up in a sweaty embrace with another chap would certainly cause a bit of a re-think given that I find the prospect of kissing a guy pretty icky, but I’ve always thought that giving a blow-job looks like a lot of fun. shrug . Whatever, it’s all good.

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[QUOTE=AqualungBats5th]
After surgery and hormones you might not even be able to tell she was trans unless she told you. Hence, you’d have had sex with a woman. And what’s left to freak you out? Her chromosomes? It’s an anti-trans bias, small as it may be.
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Only inasmuch as my not wanting to have sex with a man is an anti-gay bias, or someone’s not wanting to have sex with a person not wearing a furry suit is an anti-normal-person* bias.

People’s sexual predilections are all over the map. If someone only wants to have sex with folks who are not transsexual, calling them biased for that is plain silly.

Daniel

*You got a better term, let’s hear it.

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[QUOTE=Eve]
Yep, that’s about it. 20-some years on the dating market taught me it just was not going to happen. Look how hard it is for non-trans people to find The Special Person! Add Baby’s Little Secret into the mix, and, well . . . Fortunately, I am too old and fat for anyone to think of in that way anyway, and I am contentedly settled into spinsterhood.

It’s just not very pleasant to be reminded (as I was in a recent thread) that “I make people throw up,” is all.
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Yeah, well…how’s about I make you throw up instead :smiley: :

I’d date you!

Seriously. If we lived closer and you didn’t know my politics and were interested in me, I’d date you…and be glad of it!

And if a mean, selfish, uncaring, greedy, unthinking, narrow-minded, knuckle-dragging archconservative like me can find you attractive and interesting, I’m sure that - living in the very heart of liberalism such as you do - you should certainly be able to find someone who’s capable of relating to you as a woman…and an interesting and challenging one, at that.

I suspect that more men are put off by intimidation rather than your sexual status. Many men are put off by intelligent, critical, sharp-witted women…and you are rather Dorothy Parkerish, you know.

I suspect that this, in conjunction with your rather esoteric interests, simply cause too many men to feel either outgunned in terms of intellect and/or areas of interest…or they simply aren’t interested in the type of life that your interests and personality presents them with and ‘Baby’s Little Secret’ provides them with an escape route that doesn’t require them to admit to themselves that you intimidate them.

You seem content with your life as it is and it’s not my intention to suggest that you’d be happier living in a different way…I, too, have found that living without a mate allows me to be truer to my ‘muse’, so to speak. Still, I wanted you to know that there are men out there who not only don’t find you repulsive, but attractive and desirable…at least until your brains and acerbic manner scare us off. :slight_smile:

Please know that no response to this post is required or expected. It’s just that I happen to be one who admires your wit, looks, intelligence and interests, and it pains me to see you having to endure comments such as the one in your post above. Certainly not everyone feels that way and I just wanted you to know it.

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Starving Artist, that was a really nice post.
Eve, is there a group or an organization you could join? Or aren’t you interested in that sort of thing?

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[QUOTE=Starving Artist]
Yeah, well…how’s about I make you throw up instead :smiley: :

I’d date you!
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Ah, had only we met 25 years ago!

As for organizations, I find “tranny-chasers” to be a little, well creepy. I’d rather be appreciated for me, not for a surgical procedure I had more than half my life ago. But I’ve put myself off the market anyway. In the war of the sexes, I consider myself to be Switzerland.

Except I don’t steal money from deads Jews.

No matter what you may have heard to the contrary.

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[QUOTE=Eve]
Ah, had only we met 25 years ago!

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Indeed. :slight_smile:

And thank you, Caridwen, for your kind words.

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[QUOTE=Tuckerfan]
And when I say “best sex,” I mean more mind blowing than you ever thought possible. We’re talking multiple orgasms coming (no pun intended) like machine gun fire, intermixed with soul shatteringly deep ones that last for an hour or more. All your previous sexual experiences combined seem tepid by comparison to the previous night’s activities.

You roll over to compliment your partner and discover that:
[ul]
[li]If you’re straight, it was obviously a night of hot gay sex[/li][li]If you’re gay, it was obviously a night of hot heterosexual sex[/li][li]If you’re bi, your partner was the most repulsive person you’ve ever met IRL[/li][/ul]So, how do you react? Do you say anything? Or do you try to get the hell out of there without disturbing the other person? Or do you say, “Meh” and go with the flow?

Frankly, I have no idea of how I’d handle the situation, other than to be in shock.
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How is that even possible? If something like that happened to me my first thought would be “wow i guess im gay”, if i still found myself attracted to women i would consider myself bi. Enjoying sex with a man makes you not straight. As for the trans gender hijack, hell if shes currently got the right parts and looks good then whats the big freaking deal? i don’t really see it as much different than getting a boob job, sometimes you just aint provided with what you need by mother nature.

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[QUOTE=Eve]
Yep, that’s about it. 20-some years on the dating market taught me it just was not going to happen. Look how hard it is for non-trans people to find The Special Person! Add Baby’s Little Secret into the mix, and, well . . . Fortunately, I am too old and fat for anyone to think of in that way anyway, and I am contentedly settled into spinsterhood.

It’s just not very pleasant to be reminded (as I was in a recent thread) that “I make people throw up,” is all.
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Wow.

Even if **Starving Artist ** is correct in that you seem to be okay with your situation, I just wanted to do this:

{{{Eve}}}

As for the OP?

Well, I imagine that if I woke up next to a woman after the BEST sex of my life, I’d be pretty cool with it, and, with that particular woman, I’d likely want to do it again*, and I don’t believe that I’d lose any sleep over questioning my sexuality.

Then again, I’m a gay man who’s had sex with women (when I knew that I was gay, and **they ** knew that I was gay), so the thought of having sex with women doesn’t freak me out. And as much as I love (read: worship) the wee-wee, I could never imagine saying that I would never, ever, ever have sex with a woman again. Mind you, I am, for all intents and purposes, not sexually attracted to women, so I certainly don’t see it happening anytime soon, but never? I honestly can’t say that. (See? That’s what love of titties does to you!) :smiley:
*Hell, good sex may be hard to find; for me, sex, period, is hard to find!

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Actually, that should read, “…not **generally ** sexually attracted to women…” I just wanted to clarify that, in case it required clarification.

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Responding to the OP, here, as honestly as I’m able.

My most immediate thought would, I think, be “Holy crap I just cheated on my girlfriend”, but I’m guessing the hypothetical includes me being single, so let’s go with that.

My next thought would be “Holy crap, I got drunk (or whatever) and slept with a stranger”, which would most likely freak me out a fair bit. But then, the OP didn’t state that it had to be a stranger, either. I guess ultimately, if all the other stuff (stuff that would apply to a member of my preferred sex just as much) doesn’t apply, I’d mostly just be surprised. Not really freaked out hugely - more of a ‘huh - well, how about that’ response. My thoughts wouldn’t be “Whoa, I slept with a guy? But I’m not gay!” They’d be “Whoa, I slept with a guy? And there I was thinking I was straight!” Assuming I’m of entirely sound mind at the time, of course. Which, given I’ve only noticed the sex of a sex partner after the event, seems unlikely. :smiley:

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I guess the thing that people find a little distressing about the sex-with-trans-people discussion is that it seems as if one says they could never be attracted to a trans womanman regardless of their or the other person’s circumstances, despite being attracted to women, it’s like saying they don’t consider trans women to really be women.

It’s like Starving Artist said (that was a really nice post, btw): he relates to Eve as a woman. So, since he likes women, he might well find himself attracted to Eve. (Sounds like he does.) He might not find himself attracted to another trans woman, just like there are plenty of nontrans women he’s not attracted to. But it’s not a matter of thinking of trans women in a different way from all other women.

It’s not a matter of being a “tranny chaser” and I think that’s kind of sad that the first people we think of when we think of people who date trans people are those that fetishize them. It’s a matter of thinking of trans people of the gender/s you’re attracted to as just being in your dating pool – as relating to them as members of their gender.

In the end, no, I suppose you can’t help whom you find yourself attracted to. But it’s always interesting to look at one’s motivation.

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[QUOTE=matt_mcl]
I guess the thing that people find a little distressing about the sex-with-trans-people discussion is that it seems as if one says they could never be attracted to a trans womanman regardless of their or the other person’s circumstances, despite being attracted to women, it’s like saying they don’t consider trans women to really be women.
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I don’t think so. Would you find it equally distressing if someone said “I will never be attracted to a black woman, despite being attracted to women”?

Is it out of the question to posit that the conditions imposed by both growing up with and continuing to possess a male genetic sex might make one unattractive to a certain segment of the population? I, for one, not only find the few post-ops I have seen knowingly unattractive sexually (although not aesthetically, on average, so they do have that as a positive,) but the same goes for most black women as well. While I could try a bit o’ the old anti-aversion therapy, I doubt it would be effective let alone cost-effective, although considering my dating luck, if there were a way to magically increase the people I was genuinely romantically attracted to I would include black women and post-ops in a heartbeat.

What’s more, is it also out of the question that this inherent personal preference has been naturally selected for, for the same reason that the vast majority of people are heterosexual? If there remains giveaway signs that one is genetically male, it would be much more likely that your genes would tend to turn you away from them even moreso than your personal preferenced within fertile females, in an evolutionary sense.

Heck, not only do I find the few post-ops that I have known about to be on average more aesthetically pleasing than the average woman, I also find the average little girl to be more aesthetically pleasing than the average woman. Yet for some odd reason I don’t have a desire to have sex with them.

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[QUOTE=Dinaroozie]
I guess ultimately, if all the other stuff (stuff that would apply to a member of my preferred sex just as much) doesn’t apply, I’d mostly just be surprised. Not really freaked out hugely - more of a ‘huh - well, how about that’ response.
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This is likely how I would respond, too. I’ve never been attracted to females, so having the best sex of my life with one would be a big surprise. I’d certainly try to figure out if I am really a lesbian or bisexual after all, or if it’s just this one woman that turns me on so much. (And don’t start quibbling over whether being attracted to a single woman makes me “bisexual.” I think you all know what I mean.)

After that, I’d start thinking logistics. I’m a geek like that.

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I’m a girl, and I have occasionally felt a little attraction to one or two females. Generally fictional, but there has been at least 2 real ones. So I’d shrug, say “thanks!” and “wanna do it again?”

Again, I am also counting that I am not in this LTR.

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Tuckerfan, I’m wondering what you’re going for here, given your option for bisexuals. On the whole, it looks like you’re going for “gobsmacked shocked”, but comparing same-sex sex to “horribly repulsive person sex” ignores the number of people who say things like, “I’m not into other women, but I’d jump Angelina Jolie” or “I’d totally go gay for Alan Rickman!”

If you’re not going for repulsed, per se, I’d think a better option would be “woke up next to someone you know IRL that you’ve never felt one iota of sexual interest in.” I’d imagine that’d be pretty disorienting in the way I think you’re trying to convey.

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[QUOTE=BlueKangaroo]
Tuckerfan, I’m wondering what you’re going for here, given your option for bisexuals. On the whole, it looks like you’re going for “gobsmacked shocked”, but comparing same-sex sex to “horribly repulsive person sex” ignores the number of people who say things like, “I’m not into other women, but I’d jump Angelina Jolie” or “I’d totally go gay for Alan Rickman!”
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But’s that’s not really bisexuality, is it? That’s simply a case of an individual finding one member of the same sex attractive, and not finding attractive members of the same sex equally arousing as you do those of the opposite sex, which is truly what bisexuality is. What you’re describing is more like “BUG” (Bisexual Until Graduation).

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I’m not at all trying to say that’s bisexuality. In fact, that’s the point, it’s NOT. The point is, basically, that there’s no reason homosexual sex should be considered repulsive, and there’s no way “horribly repulsive person sex” couldn’t be.

There are lots of people in this world who are straight, straight, straight, but don’t find homosexual sex repulsive. And the comparison makes is sound as it should be.

Is my question clearer, then?

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[QUOTE=BlueKangaroo]
I’m not at all trying to say that’s bisexuality. In fact, that’s the point, it’s NOT. The point is, basically, that there’s no reason homosexual sex should be considered repulsive, and there’s no way “horribly repulsive person sex” couldn’t be.

There are lots of people in this world who are straight, straight, straight, but don’t find homosexual sex repulsive. And the comparison makes is sound as it should be.

Is my question clearer, then?
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Makes sense to me. If I woke up next to a woman, I’d be mighty confused, but if I woke up next to a horrifically repulsive person I’d be, well, repulsed. I can’t imagine enjoying myself with someone I found repulsive, but “repulsive” and “not a gender I’m normally attracted to” aren’t really the same thing.