"You can't target the fat loss area"

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#1

Here:


Sage Rat and ddsun said that you can’t target fat loss in an area. (ddsum said “…with a diet”)

Here is a pic of Jeremy Clarkson’s belly:

If he was to lose weight would it involve something like halving the fat on his belly would involve halving the fat on his arms and legs?

Or could a diet remove belly fat without affecting his arm and leg fat much?

In this debate I am a fan of the book “The Belly Fat Cure” so I believe that belly fat (the visceral/organ kind) can be targeted.

#2

Also here are some Sumo wrestlers:
http://d1udmfvw0p7cd2.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/sp-sumo-a-20151122.jpg
These ones don’t have much belly fat in comparison to their other fat.

https://www.caloriecount.com/forums/weight-loss/dont-sumo-wrestlers-heart-disease
“Body scans reveal that sumo wrestlers typically have little visceral fat, presumably because they exercise six to eight hours a day. Most of what hangs over their mawashis is subcutaneous fat”

Visceral fat is linked to diabetes and heart disease and sumo wrestlers don’t have those health risks.

BTW in this thread I want to say that it isn’t just about diet - “The Belly Fat Cure” optionally involves some exercise.

#3

BTW my doctor also thinks that you can’t target the fat loss area but I’ve come to believe that this isn’t necessarily a fact if you have other knowledge…

#4

I did a quick search for “glucagon”:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/08/02/how-to-get-rid-of-belly-fat-and-build-strong-and-sexy-abs.aspx
“Eat as close to zero grams of sugar as possible. This will keep your insulin levels low, and also keep your glucagon levels high. Glucagon, a hormone, helps keep your belly flat”

This is one of the key ideas in “The Belly Fat Cure Fast Track”.

Perhaps most dieters aren’t knowledgeable of the hormone “glucagon”.

#5

Throw that cite away and never look back. It’s from “Dr” Joseph Mercola. He’s a huckster and a shill and not someone from whom one should seek advice.

#6

Ok thanks I’ll look more into glucagon.

#7

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/08/02/how-to-get-rid-of-belly-fat-and-build-strong-and-sexy-abs.aspx
Yes it is on Mercola.com but it says “Yahoo Health has assembled 10 expert tips to keep your stomach flat and lean”

So far I haven’t found an authoritative source about glucagon and belly fat.

BTW all of the official Belly Fat Cure websites are dead including a community run Facebook page.

Jorge Cruise has a new diet that is vegan for breakfast and allows grains and a lot of fruit. The Belly Fat Cure was paleo plus cream and cheese (and very dark chocolate) and didn’t allow grains and considered fruit to be (nature’s) candy that could be eaten in small amounts as a treat.

Here is Jorge in the Belly Fat Cure Fast Track book:
http://jorgecruiseonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Screen-Shot-2014-12-24-at-9.11.44-AM.png

I’m not sure how much of the belly is from his posture.

#8

If one diet results in more visceral fat loss while another diet results in more subcutaneous fat loss and people can choose which way it is I think that is a win for this debate.

#9

Um, I don’t think you really listened to what I said. :stuck_out_tongue:

#10

There is no difference between visceral fat and subcutaneous fat, other than where it’s found in the body. Visceral fat is just fat located in a troublesome area (namely around the internal organs in the gut-area). But it’s not a different substance.

#11

Do you mean that anything that appears on “Dr” Joseph Mercola’s website is a lie?
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/08/02/how-to-get-rid-of-belly-fat-and-build-strong-and-sexy-abs.aspx
“Size matters: Eating portion-controlled meals will reduce your abdominal flab.”

So I guess that has no evidence as well? :cool:

#12

Interesting… though I wonder why having fat around the gut organs would be related to heart disease.

#13

BTW weight can also be lost that comes from the belly area that isn’t fat… so-called “false” belly fat… the Belly Fat Cure says it is “Trapped waste matter that adds pounds and inches to the belly, and can also interfere with the absorption of nutrients and healthy digestion”.
http://www.livescience.com/48482-colon-hydrotherapy-risks-side-effects.html

The book is not about colon cleansing exactly though it is about colon movement and promotes the use of probiotics. If that doesn’t work his next step is to increase intake of “super carbs” such as broccoli, then try a soluble fiber supplement, then see if there is a salt imbalance, then see if a magnesium supplement is needed.

#14

It seems that “colon” means the large intestine. The diet also would be about movement in the small intestine as well.

#15

Appears to be more of a blog than a great debate.

JohnClay, when you post here, think more about where it should go and whether you’re truly interested in a discussion. Perhaps a blog is more in order.