You fucking rich little TWERP. (Kinda weak rant)

Lib, perhaps you should take a nap? I frankly am not understanding where you are coming from on this one.

caphis, I agree with LeftHand of Dorkness on this one, in that if you can find some way to make an equitable deal with this guy, where both of you feel like you got what you wanted, you should go for it. Whether it’s an interest-free loan (get agreement spelled out on paper so there’s no ambiguity), or you trade him with a bunch of home-cooked meals or a painting of his family or something like that, then go for it.

I’d also like to point out that you really don’t want to go down the road of “what is really justifiable spending.”

Don’t do that. Because as others have mentioned before, you’re never going to please everyone, and your standards of what is acceptable spending and what is wasteful will not be viewed that way by everyone. You can’t win when you start with that.

I understand what you mean, but see, it’s not your call to make. It’s not your money this guy is spending on clothes. You don’t get to decide.

I’ve been on both sides of this issue. Once I had inherited some money and I spent some of it on new clothes. I had just lost a lot of weight and got clothes that fit me. It was something that I’d promised myself I’d do when I lost that weight. And I got a lot of clothes. It was great. (Not that I got expensive clothes—just different styles of jeans at Sears and Pennys, but still—it was great.)

But some petty, bitter friends of mine didn’t see it that way. I was being “wasteful” with my money. Other people could use that money I was pissing away on clothes for something more important, see? So my friends bitched bitched bitched at me for how I was spending my money. I still remember how crappy that felt, for them to do that to me.

I personally would choke at the thought of someone spending that much on clothes, but it’s not my call to make, and it isn’t your call either. Please don’t fall into that trap. It’s none of your business. Don’t be petty. You cannot control how this guy spends money and how he spends money has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.

That’s great for you. Do that when you make your own money. But don’t second-guess how he should spend his. It’s odious. Do you want people to do that to you? Do you want someone hovering over your shoulder, telling you that the $8 movie you “treated” yourself to was not “justified”? Wouldn’t you find that extremely irritating if someone did that to you? Obnoxious? Yeah. That’s because it is obnoxious. So don’t do that. Don’t even start to do that.

I almost choked once when my sister talked casually about plunking down $500 for a ring. Just a ring. A piece of jewelery. I could not fathom it. That’s a lot of money to me, and if it were me and I had $500 to piss away, I’d put it towards a new G5 Macintosh computer, or perhaps something for the pottery studio. But a freakin’ ring? How frivolous is that? But then I realized that it was not my call to make, and the ring was important to her, and unless I wanted to be a petty bitch (like my friends who bitched about my new wardrobe), I’d never utter one critical word to my sister and I would be happy for her.

If you don’t want someone begrudging you your small indulgences (or large ones, as the case may be), if you don’t want someone questioning every penny you spend, don’t do that to someone else. It’s true that this guy is clueless, but time will sort that all out. I don’t think he means badly—he just doesn’t get it.

Why would that make him a martyr? I have had people offer to pay $5 for me to register here, but said no, because it isn’t their place to pay for me. I think it shows guts not to take it, or at least a pair of his socks, which could take care of a couple of hundred bucks if you sell 'em. :slight_smile:

(Not that I hold any grudge against anyone who did accept someone’s gift of straight dope. If I had some extra money, I’d gadly sponsor people, I just don’t feel right being on the receiving side. I’m NOT trying to hijack this into that debate. )

Why would that make him a martyr? I have had people offer to pay $5 for me to register here, but said no, because it isn’t their place to pay for me. I think it shows guts not to take it, or at least a pair of his socks, which could take care of a couple of hundred bucks if you sell 'em.

It doesn’t give you guts. It just shows you’re not all that bright. (And I don’t mean that in a mean way.)

The idea of doing a mitzvah for someone is that it’s not their place to do it for you to begin with. If it was their place to do it, then it’s not a mitzvah. You don’t get brownie points/good karma for doing stuff you’re SUPPOSED to do. It’s the stuff that you go out of your way to do that’s impressive.

Why is it people are so willing to take their friends’ time, which can never be replaced, but not their money? They’ll call and dump on a friend for 3 hours about a serious problem they’re dealing with, but they’re too self-righteous to accept financial help from a friend who has more money than they know what to do with?

You are going to have very few chances in life where someone is willing to really help you out. When your chance comes and you don’t take it, that’s fine, but you’re no hero. You’re just shooting yourself in the foot.

Lib, lay off the bitch juice.

Libertarian, I’ll go ahead and accept your non-response as an apology for your apparently not-well-thought-out attack against my person.

An actual apology would’ve been nicer, but there’s only so much pride you can get out of someone, I suppose.

Take the money!

Probably will! :stuck_out_tongue:

Of course you will. It’s what you coveted all along.

This thread should eat some cake and calm the fuck down.

Christ, seeing how you are able to read minds, it’s no surprise that you might be in the same financial situation as the OP’s friend. Being able to discern the thoughts of others has to be an enormous advantage in business dealings.

RIIIGHT, that is why you have a 12,000 dollar car right? You could easily have bought a 100 dollar junker and gave that other 11,900 dollars to people that didn’t even have 100 dollar junkers. :rolleyes:

I hate people like you that assume that people with money are obligated to give it away to “needy” people. You are a true hipocrit caphis, a wanker and a putz. Get off your high horse and admit that Libertarian is right and you are merely envious of somebody else’s fortunes.

Fucking Commie

It doesn’t take mind reading to tell when somebody has an axe to grind, and this person obviously covets money, why else would he have so expensive of a car, yet complain about somebody else spending lots of money on something else. (obviously he can’t afford it, and knowing somebody that can, hates him for that luxary)

For the record, I MAKE 600 dollars a month, and owe nothing on my car, have no issues with money or other people having it, and don’t feel obligated to recieve money from them, or feel obligated to give to others that are worse off than myself.

caphis: That rich bastard spends HIS money on clothes that cost as much as my car, wah, wah, he should give it to people that are needy- (translation: that lucky bastard, he should give me some money, because I am obviously so needy, the nerve of that bastard, spending HIS OWN FUCKING money on stuff FOR HIMFUCKING SELF, when he could easily give it away)

Caphis, some folks ain’t worth your time. Anyone, for example, who gets outraged over your slights against someone who isn’t outraged themselves, isn’t worth your time.

Daniel

Oh, I’m not outraged against caphis’ slights against his friend. I think caphis is just an idiot that has ignorant ideas about personal wealth and obligation towards those that do not have it.

Even as a rather strong liberal, I cringe at these morons concepts of wealth distribution and obligation inherent in spending ones own money on ones own self. (or spending ones own money on ones own kids in this case)

Guess what pal, there is nothing wrong with a family spending 12,000 dollars on clothes if they have that kind of money. They are not morally responsible for the drug addicts or lazy fucks who would rather watch TV than work another job or go to school to get a higher paying job. You want more money, marry into it, build up your own fortune or cross your fingers and hope you win a lottery. In my opinion, the only lottery I hope you win is Shirley Jacksons.

Ok, so now Caphis should be stoned to death? That’s pretty harsh, don’t you think?

Instead of continuing to stew and bitch about his friend, he actually opened up a meaningful dialog about the issue and cleared the air, which is more than a lot of people would do. So now there’s all this hostility toward him for trying to be honest with his friend? I don’t get it.

Not only is that harsh, that’s against the rules – or haven’t you read the sticky at the top of the forum, Epimetheus?

Daniel

caphis, I applaud you for your maturity in handling this situation. You were able to realize that your friend is not malicious, just clueless, and you’ve probably made a positive, lasting impact on his life.

I would take what yosemitebabe says to heart. She speaks truth and wisdom. We could all judge each other for our purchases. One person’s necessity will always be another person’s luxury.

As long as your friend is living within his means and not influencing your spending habits, leave him be. Also be thankful that you have such a financially blessed friend. It may come in handy one day.

Guess what pal, there is nothing wrong with a family spending 12,000 dollars on clothes

I’m pretty po’ at the moment, being in college and all …

However if we are talking about a entire wardrobe worth $12k, I’m not sure that’s all THAT extravagant. I know a lawyer in town who wears suits that cost a grand or two.

I bought a dress yesterday, a pair of capri pants and a simple shirt. 100 bucks. For 2 outfits. At an “average” store.

If you add up the cost of undies, shoes, and every item of clothing you wear, yes 12k is still a lot but it’s not THAT far out there.

If I wanted to chuck all my clothes and start all over from scratch and not have to wear the same thing two days in a row, I’d need about $5k, and I don’t have expensive tastes.

Thank God for Value Village!

Well, you can certainly interpret my statement that way, I wouldn’t say that is how it was intended though.