You gotta be shitting me! [Christmas music]

I think what bothers them is the implied assumption of cultural/religious uniformity. For at least six weeks of the year the common American culture is largely taken over by a Christian holiday, and non-Christians who don’t celebrate Christmas (and, for that matter, Christians who don’t want Christmas treated as a generic/secular holiday) are expected just to put up with the constant barrage of Christmas themes in public and commercial spaces of all kinds.

It’s not that “said religion is in plain view of others”; I don’t know of any non-Christian who objects to, say, the distinctive architecture of churches or the fact that churches are all over American neighborhoods, or the fact that nuns and priests walk around in distinctive clothing, or the fact that lots of Christians openly assemble at church on Sunday mornings. It’s the fact that the Christian holiday of Christmas just takes over so many aspects of American life for so long a time; “having that stuff rammed down our throats for months”, as Clothahump put it.

Of course, the real problem is not with Christianity or Christians but with the bastardization of the Christmas holiday that’s taken place over the past century or so. Christmas remains an important Christian sacred holiday, but it’s also been exploited to the point of ass-raping by commercial interests who make loads of money off it because it’s traditionally associated with feasting and present-giving.

Christmas the festival of Christ’s birth and Christmas the commercial cash cow are inextricably entangled in a sort of monstrous hybrid. Many of its themes and symbols are still Christian enough that non-Christians often feel excluded by them, and they’re so ubiquitous even in commercial/secular contexts that it’s often difficult for non-Christians just to ignore them.

Hence the feeling of resentment and pissed-off-ness that is ignited in many otherwise very tolerant and friendly people during the “season of peace and goodwill”.

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Excellent post.

Would it be more accurate to say that it isn’t the existence of other religions, but the perception that those other religions are being forced upon them?

I just see Christmas music as an art form (for lack of a better term) that is loved by many, many people, and that is played because it is expected and enjoyed by a great number of the population.

I just don;t see the “aggressive” nature of it that many others seem to. It’s one thing to think of it as an enormous pain in the ass, but yet another to think of it as an affront.

Why? Because, Christmas music is not inherently offensive, nor do radio stations or stores who play it intend to cause offense. One would have to go out of their way to be offended, or insulted by it. IOW, it’s a manufactured “offense”.

Kind of like “the war against Christmas”, right?

Yep. I would agree with both you and Carol.

I understand what you’re trying to say, but I don’t think it’s necessarily true. Religious exclusivity can be offensive, when it’s applied in too large doses over too much of what’s supposed to be our shared commercial/secular/civic culture.

It’s not the Christmas music itself that offends some non-Christians: many of them would happily go to, say, a classical oratorio or gospel concert to hear beautiful music that happens to be Christian in theme. What can be offensive is the fact that everybody in a typical commercial or public setting is expected to listen to the stuff so constantly for the last several weeks of every year.

Exactly, IMO. Like I said, the real problem is the bastardized nature of modern Christmas, part Christian festival and part commercial feeding frenzy. Too Christian to participate in (for many non-Christians), but too invasive to ignore.

Easter is an even more important and significant Christian festival than Christmas is, yet it provokes far less resentment among non-Christians. Why? Precisely because the forces of secular commerce aren’t blowing its trumpet in everybody’s face in every aspect of American culture for months on end every year.

Do Christians complain there’s a “war against Easter” or that their celebration of Easter is being put down or repressed by secular society? Not that I’ve ever heard. And that’s precisely because Easter is a Christian holiday but not (much of) a commercial one, so it hasn’t turned into the hybrid of religious exclusivity and public ubiquitousness that can make Christmas so exasperating to deal with.

Hmm, perhaps I spoke too soon: O’Reilly: Easter Bunny Under Attack.

Strangely appropriate.

I’m offended too, because it’s an excuse for every hack who’s even farted on a record to put out a “Christmas Album.” And it’s the same, tired, old, worn-out shit. Which is why I have a ton of respect for those artists who attempt to do something original by a) releasing an original song (i.e., The Waitresses, XTC, John Lennon), or b) finding a less shopworn song to sing (i.e., Sting’s “Gabriel’s Message,” which is a delightfully wonderful song that I love hearing even when it’s not Chrimbo).

Really, my personal shit-list of songs I never want to hear again during the holidays is quite short:
[ul]
[li]It’s The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year[/li][li]Dear Mr. Jesus[/li][li]Frosty The Fucking Snowman[/li][li]Jingle Bell Rock[/li][li]Wonderful Christmas Time[/li][/ul]
(Adam Sandler’s Hannukah song is working my fucking nerves too, but I think it gets a pass because of the novelty.)

Put me down as not having a problem hearing the other songs, just because they’re novel. And who the fuck needs to hear Chrimbo music 24 hours a day? How long does it take for them to start repeating songs? Most Christmas music isn’t that good, no matter how talented the artist is the other 364 days of the year (see Carey, Mariah). Hell, if you have an office party, bring an iPod of some songs. It’s the 21st century. These are the people with the applique sweaters and who make their dogs wear the antlers, right?

Christmas music is why I hate Christmas. Why do you idiots feel the need to force it on me?

I don’t feel a radio changing it’s format to all Christmas music is forcing it upon me. I can change the station with a push of a button.

I just think it’s nuts to start celebrating any holiday 2+ months before the actual holiDAY!

It’s true, you can. Some stations never will play Christmas music, and they are welcome retreats. But it gets … well, frantic. The rising crescendo. You can’t set foot in a grocery store, a clothing store, a thrift store; you can’t call some company and get put on hold; you can’t go anywhere in public without being subjected to the endless chorus of mostly-secular music, from every bloody singer out there doing a cover of ‘Run Run Rudolph’ (or any other Rudolph song), to soulified versions of what were once lovely hymns, to “I’m dreaming of a White Christmas” (or locally, ‘Christmas in the Northwest’) but it all points to the final frantic end:

Christmas day is coming, and by god you better have presents for people.

There is more burden and obligation for me in that, than there is joy in the season to offset it. At least children are easy to buy for, and are usually happy with what they get! At least my brothers no longer expect me to buy anything for them or their wives. Mom on the other hand feels very firmly that she ought to receive presents on the day, because the calendar says it is a day for presents. That I have given her little things that suit her and please her all throughout the year whenever I’ve found them…is forgotten, because it is Christmas and one must have gifts on Christmas. If I cannot find something to suit her and please her just because the calendar says I must? No excuse for me. Actually she would prefer that I save all my little finds up for her, and put them under her tree. And I would prefer to give them as I find them, and give her little bits of happiness all the year through. :confused:

As for myself, I am rarely given a gift anymore that I actually want or can use; indeed, my mother seems to have lost touch with what I enjoy entirely and has begun giving me home decorations in themes I do not collect, and my husband, who adores the Christmas season, frequently gets to my very birthday (the 24th) and then confesses miserably that he has no idea what to get for me, and would I please give him a hint. I get money presents a lot (not from hubby of courses). I enjoy having it of course. But I would like it better - if people must give presents - to receive something that showed they really knew me. I wouldn’t care if it were hand-made, second-hand, from a dollar-store, or in the form of heartfelt sentiments hand-written in a card. At least it would mean somebody knows me well enough to know what would be just perfect.

So when the music begins, my anxiety begins. I can’t avoid it, can’t ignore it. Buy, buy, buy. It’s not the Jesusy music that gets to me. It’s the forced jollity, the very absurdity of the expectation that we must celebrate (what?) because the calendar says so, and for no real better reason. I could even, as an apostate Christian, tolerate a Jesusy holiday better than this travesty of tinsel-draped commercialization.

I’d like to point out that most of the people in the thread are or were Christians. Christmas (and Easter) are part of your culture, so you come to expect music and all that, and you can’t really understand life without it.

I, OTOH, am not Christian, have never been Christian, and don’t want to be Christian. Christmas never really even registered with me until I moved from a mostly-Jewish place to a mostly-Christian one. I felt (and still feel) like a fish out of water, as it were, and I know I get defensive this time of year about it. But it’s the defensiveness of being different in a way a lot of people don’t really understand. I know that’s the case, and I basically turn into a hermit from Thanksgiving to New Year’s.

I am also not against Christianity. Heck, I’m married to one, and since we’ve been married, I attend his family’s Christmas and Easter celebrations. To be fair, he has also attended Passover and Hanukkah celebrations with me.

But the issue with religious Christmas music (or really, any religious music) in a public place is that it makes me acutely aware that I am not One of Us. I understand that it is my own discomfort, so I choose to avoid it in the first place, or bring my iPod with me and listen to that instead. (FTR, I do have four songs that could, theoretically, count as Christmasy: “A Lonely Jew”, “Do They Know It’s Christmas?” and two pieces from The Nutcracker.)

I also never said that Christmas music shouldn’t be played at all. If you like it, hell, knock yourself out. But please recognize that not everyone is as enamored of it as you are, and that others have the right NOT to listen. For me, this means just not being where it is. I’m okay with that. It’s a shame some of you aren’t.

Robin

Oh my. . .is this really a song? If so, I don’t think I’ve ever heard it. Who sings it? And where on the internet can I go to listen to it? Because this sounds like something that would make me laugh.

Provided, that is, I only hear it a few times.

And while I agree that most secular Christmas songs are crap, The Roches cover Winter Wonderland and make it amusing simply because they sing it in overly broad Long Island accents. When I first discovered it, back when the earth was still cooling and my visage was young, I had a bit of it on my answering machine.

By noon yesterday I had heard “Oh, Holy Night” three different times. Granted, by three different artists (and that Anne Murray, what a delightful songbird), but it’s still the same damned song. This, even though I will quite often go into my cube and listen to NPR, so it may have been played even more. And while I used to like Lennon’s And So This is Christmas, or whatever it’s called, I’ve now heard it at least twice daily, so the bloom is off that particular rose. And if it were in my power, I would dig up Elvis, bitch slap him until I felt better, then rip off his head and shit down his neck for the abomination that is Blue Christmas.

Well, you could point that out, but it’s not going to be correct or useful for your argument. Are most of the people in this thread Christians? I’m not sure, I don’t keep a spreadsheet on everyone’s religion, and most of us in the thread didn’t say one way or t’other.

But really who you’re concerned about is those of us who are forcing Christmas music on you because we like it, right? So let’s see who’s come out in defense of Christmas music in this thread:

**Cisco **- athiest, mixed feelings on the issue
**Rilchiam **- undeclared, would prefer more sacred music mixed in with Santa tunes
**thirdwarning **- undeclared, would prefer more sacred music mixed in with Santa tunes
SpazCat - pagan, would prefer instrumentals to vocals
FriarTed - undeclared in this thread, well-known to be a Christian from others
LittlePlasticNinja - Christian
Antinor01 - pagan, thinks even 3 weeks of Christmas music is “almost too much”, but likes some sacred music
WhyNot - pagan, would prefer more sacred music mixed in with Santa tunes 'cause sacred music doesn’t suck
**photopat **- not Christian (I think), likes some Christmas music, but not till after Thanksgiving.
The Swan - agnostic, loves Christmas music
Carol Stream - undeclared
Hippy Hollow - undeclared, I think I remember pagan from other threads, but I could be totally wrong about that, wants a few, named songs excised from rotation, but likes the rest

So that’s 5 definitely “not Christian” who came out. at some level, in defense of Christmas music, and 5 undeclared (b.o.d. weighed here with **photopat **and Hippy Hollow, so’s you don’t think I’m padding my numbers) and 2 definitely Christian.

So nearly half of the people who actually admitted to liking some level of Christmas music are not Christian, and it’s not part of our culture anymore than it’s the part of a culture of a Jew who celebrates Christmas with the in-laws.

I think it’s pretty revealing that you assume we are Christian and that that’s the only possible reason we aren’t outraged by Christmas music, though. How’s that martyr complex working out for you?

I DO hope that NPR has their “Annoying Christmas Music Series” again! It is hilarious! A few years back, they had the late Lorn green singing Christmas carols ! (a Pnderosa Christmas)-and other such dreck!

What we really should be dreading, beyond the inescapable fact of Xmas-songs-repeated-past-the-point-of-nausea, is the Media Theme For the Season.

Lately there’s been one about every year. Awhile back it was People In Mixed (religion) Marriages Struggle To Cope With Christmas. Then we got to hear endlessly about how non-traditional celebrations (i.e. Kwanzaa) were ever so much less materialistic and more spiritual than Christmas. Then it was the imaginary but somehow compelling War on Christmas.

What will be rammed down our throats this holiday season? Global Warming Threatens To Flood Santa’s Village? Hidden Pagan Themes Spark New Restrictions On Use of Evergreens? The mind reels at the possibilities.

For those (like me) who decry the lack of original or interesting Christmas music, there are a couple of interesting Christmas albums coming out this year.

Sufjan Stevens has a box set of five EPs that he’s made for his friends and family over the last five years. (It’s reasonably priced; $18.99 at Amazon.) It looks to have quite a bit of traditional music on it, but it’s mostly the good stuff, and I’m sure Sufjan’s take on it will be worth hearing. There’s plenty of original stuff, too.

Cincinnati favorites Over the Rhine have a CD of Christmas originals coming out.

I’ve repeatedly called for a Manhattan Project-level consortium of the nation’s best songwriters to update the Christmas repertoire. (Stephin Merritt could be its Oppenheimer; it’s the job he was born for.) In the meantime, I’ll do what I can to support good new Christmas music. Unfortunately, the radio stations will continue to pat themselves on the back for playing “new Christmas music” by occasionally throwing in “These Christmas Shoes” and John Mellencamp’s “I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus”.

This thread is why I’m glad I’ve got an iPod and can use it while shopping. Thus, I just look like a normal disconnected 20-something instead of a grumpy old person.

This is also why I avoid malls from about Halloween on and do what little shopping I have to do either at places like Sam’s Club (where they don’t have the system set up for it) or online.