You know what I hate? How the word empowerment lost its original use and context

I well tell ya, as stupid and embarrassing as this is. I have a bandwagoning cycle usually with both sides.
That said, I instead trying to work my ass through my political beliefs if continuing this cycle[well really I only switched once lol].

Because that is the dominant culture currently, then I got to be critically honest.

Could you try that in English?

English is not my first language :smiley:

I agree, that’s why I said I find motivation to be better and more useful.

Yeah it sure is.

How the fuck would you know? How many generations of presidents have you personally witnessed? Stop saying dumb shit and start putting a little thought into your posts. And when you don’t know, admit you don’t know.

I think he means less presidential. Which has been the case with every president since Reagan. I would say Clinton was the least by far, followed by GWB, followed by Obama. Bush the senior was okay but still not presidential like Reagan was.

Yeah because how many celebrities don’t want to run their ass to the White House:rolleyes:
You don’t have to be alive 100+ years to experience this lol.

Jesus I get it, i get it, you are all like “Dude why the hell are you so hooked up on politics right now? Aren’t you in high school? Aren’t you supposed to work in getting to know your path and having a social life?”

That’s not what we’re saying at all.

You are not “hooked up on politics.”

You are being manipulated by right-wing outrage mongers on YouTube.

There is a difference.

All politics is local. Who are your representatives in your town council?

Even if you’re not, I want to say I been technically riding the political car since I was 8. I as a kid remember wanting to even vote in some elections for county judge back when I lived in Laredo, TX.

How? Tbh most of the commentators I watch are mostly libertarian anyways. I only watch like one extreme conservative.

As for the representatives of Round Rock[Where I currently live]
Council Members
Craig Morgan- Mayor
Tammy Young- Place 1
Rene Flores- Place 2
Frank Leffingwell- Place 3
Will Peckham- Place 4
Writ Baese- Place 5
Hilda Montgomery- Place 6

Yo y’all,

While I agree with you that the kid needs some serious redirection, if you’re actually trying to get him to reconsider, you might want to remember that one of the traits of autism is the inability to recognize sarcasm and teasing. Add to that his newness to the board, youth, and ESL status, and you might be making things worse when he takes your suggestions (like, say, Vinyl Turnip’s suggestion that he consider Starving Artist as a mentor, which would be…bad.)

I understand y’all get trolls who put out stuff like this all the time, and it’s frustrating and angrifying. For some weird reason I think this fella might be able to learn a bit, if he sticks around. And written sarcasm is difficult enough for neurotypical folks to discern sometimes, let alone anyone else.

To the OP, some hints on the culture of this board, many of which will serve you well outside this board also:

  1. Don’t take Starving Artist as a mentor. While this board skews liberal, we do have some intelligent and respected conservatives here. Starving is not one of them, he’s considered basically a joke.
  2. This board takes cite requests seriously, and doesn’t accept YouTube videos as legitimate cites. Ideally, you should back up any assertions with links to genuine studies published in either a scientific/industry journal, or in a well-known and respected newspaper. If you can’t find that, other websites and/or blogs are theoretically usable, but are less likely to convince the people you’re discussing things with.
  3. When you provide a cite, make sure you read it completely and understand what it’s saying, and that it does in fact back up what you’re claiming it backs up. Otherwise you will look foolish, and your credibility will be diminished.
  4. Be clear and specific in your wording, and when you make an assertion make sure you understand exactly what you’re asserting and why you believe it to be true. If you have the impulse to say something like “People say X”, first ask yourself - Which specific people? In what situation(s) did they say it? In what context?

I know this is a lot of work, but it will help you out immensely not only here, but anywhere you’re discussing issues with intelligent people.

That said, in response to your original question, I have a couple questions for you to answer with the above in mind:

  1. How do you believe that “empowerment” is being used incorrectly? In what instances? By what specific people?
  2. How and in what situations do you feel it should be used?

As a lifelong liberal, feminist, and general bleeding-heart, here’s what I mean when I use the term “empowering”: A thing that is empowering is something that helps someone who has been treated unfairly to either speak up against the way they’ve been treated or to move past the hurt that the unfairness has caused in them. It doesn’t necessarily mean that the empowering thing is a good thing overall, just that the person feels better or stronger when they’ve done it. I’m pretty sure that that’s what most of us mean by it.

Given that definition, do you still feel it’s being used wrongly?

Well some things to say

  1. Guys, I am not really conservative. I do lean right-wing in some areas and that includes culturally and fiscally. I am socially liberal and economically moderate

  2. I been able to understand sarcasm better more recently, I still sometimes do struggle because especially if you’re in a serious situation or conversation you know…

  3. As for the word empowerment, I will admit this thread was just to ignite some heat and keep my posting career going. But really I feel the word is now used as as a marketing tool.

Quote from the article

“Empowerment has become not only a synonym for self-indulgent narcissism, but a symbol of how identity politics can too often get distracted by those with the loudest voices and forget those most in need of it”
I think the left wingGuardianpretty much hit the mark here. “Empowerment” IS a marketing tool.
If you want to help someone empower themselves, then don’t be selling them anything. And the context with the word now kind of being “If you’re born black female or gay, you need empowerment”.

I mean what about the bullied? They don’t need empowerment? What about the homeless? They don’t need empowerment? What about people with low self esteem?

I also feel empowerment comes more from responsibility, not really from being cheered up. For that situation I prefer “motivation”.

Nothing wrong with you taking an interest in politics. Plenty wrong with you thinking you know what the fuck you’re ever talking about. What does celebrities thinking of running for the White House have to do with your statement about Presidents being “less presidential with every election”, for the past 100 years? How have they been less presidential? What set of metrics are you using to draw that conclusion? Can you provide a source for your “experienced” opinion?

Look, you’re just saying random dumb shit now. You know it and we sure as hell know it. And stop using “lol” as punctuation.

First off there is no need to keep giving me heat.

I mean do most even have experience with law or politics? Look at Trump, he’s being naive as they come.

I am cool with some celebrities running for office. Look at Arnold Schwarzenegger, Kane also wanted to run for mayor of Nashville I think last year too. Or Ventura as well.

Name one! Name one single outspoken conservative poster on this board who doesn’t routinely come in for name-calling and insults. Not even Sam Stone nor Bricker has escaped the left-wing animosity, insults and intolerance that characterizes not only this place but liberalism in general.

Mostly by people who don’t like their liberalism criticized in the same way (albeit more polite by several orders of magnitude) that they criticize conservatives and conservatism. And of course by those still stung at having one of their pet outrages and assumptions shot down and shown to be utterly and entirely wrong six years ago.

These people are being marginally polite to you right now because they still hold out hope that you’ll come around and become a good, upstanding liberal. You’ve experienced a little of the way they behave otherwise by virtue of the post upthread accusing you of getting your views from right-wing rabble-rousers on Youtube. They simply cannot believe that anyone of their own accord could possibly have any other than a liberal view of the world. I, myself, get accusations of listening to Fox News channel, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, etc., despite the fact I’ve said many times that I don’t watch or listen to any of them and have been conservative in my politics all the way back to my teen years. Conservatism is where common sense lies, and liberalism is where attempts are endlessly made to pound square pegs into the round holes of life (with pretty much the expected result), and with a good helping of hatred toward anyone who observes that their efforts aren’t likely to work.

Finally, I’d suggest you disregard entirely this nonsense that I have become or want to become your mentor around here. The motive behind it is to try to drive a wedge between you and your truly, the board’s most outspoken critic of liberals and liberalism in general, and even worse, one who can’t be criticized, insulted, mocked or otherwise hectored into submitting or disappearing. I have no interest in ‘mentoring’ you or anyone else, and certainly would never presume that I should. But think carefully about the advice you’re getting in this thread re who you should listen to and how you should post, as every bit of it is self-serving and intended to draw you into the liberal ethos.

In short, think for yourself and come to your opinions and beliefs honestly and in the ways that most resonate with you. Whether your beliefs settle on those that are conservative or liberal, it doesn’t matter, as long as you don’t allow yourself to harangued or intimidated into them. Think for yourself and let your opinion as to what is right be your guide.

Which specific minority group has denied empowerment or moral support to the bullied and homeless?? Especially since it’s minorities who have directly experienced exactly the kind of miss-treatment that you describe and thus often suffer self-esteem issues.

Stop reflexively regurgitating ultra-conservative racist bullshit as if it’s based on facts. It isn’t.

Is racial bullying still big on schools? All I see is almost mixed race people now.

But anyways, people imply being a minority is the bigger factor.