A thread pitting the people pitting congresspeople in other threads? Isn’t this a little recursive?
The two parties aren’t the same. Sorry. Call people names for being kneejerk partisans if you like, and I agree that they have too much in common, but it’s a dumb argument.
A thread pitting people that are relentlessly partisan WITHIN those threads where a congresscritter is being pitted. See the difference right there?
I agree that the two parties are not the same, but in my rush to post before the board slowed down due to all you fuckers deciding to get online at the same time, I used some ridiculous hyperbole.
Okay. The parties are different. It’s the people within those parties that ACT the same. Personally, I feel that if a law can’t be passed within a certain amount of time because of deluded politicians sulking on their side of the aisle, (and it happens on both sides), then we have a major problem.
Look, I never intended this to turn into a great debate because I suck at debating. My whole POINT was that the OVERLY PARTISAN HACKS THAT DEFEND THEIR PARTY TO DEATH REGARDLESS OF FACT ARE A BUNCH OF IGNORANT ASSWIPES.
That last paragraph was directed to you Excalibre as the board is running slower than old people fuck at the moment.
To Richard Parker, I don’t believe that people should get so morally outraged that they call for stupidly over the top punishments against someone that never has, and most likely, never will, affect them. If you want things that don’t affect you and never will to make you morally outraged, then hey, more power to you. Personally, I prefer to keep my blood pressure at a reasonable level.
Oh yeah. Hiya jarby.
Xploder
I’d say your observation is true. Yes, some people keep harping on the same topics over and over. (I’m surprised I haven’t joined the latest Dubya Bashing post (the Helen Thomas one) - well maybe I can let just one slip by. Maybe not. 
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But be that as it may (and I doubt if it ever was), then why do you keep coming back here? You did say “Every time I pop on here and look in the Pit …” implying that you come here a lot. Why? It’s as if you were saying ‘every time I drop a bowling ball on my foot, it hurts’ or ‘every time I stick my finger in a light socket, I get a shock’. To quote the great American philosopher, Henny Youngman, if you tell your doctor it hurts when you do that … then don’t do that !!!
Really Xploder, I’m not attempting to lambaste you, nor was I offended by the thread you started. I’m just wondering why all this folderol over something rather trivial? The Pit is more for emotional gut-wrenching than it is for thoughtful, rational, insightful debating. Then again, who knows? Maybe some day you’ll drop in here and see "I pit Immanuel Kant and his “Critique of Pure Reason”
Then again, maybe some day I’ll turn on PBS and watch a Battle To The Death Monster Truck Rally !!!
I tend to agree. I think the Democrats are better then the Republicans (which is why I vote for them), but when I say that I feel like I’m saying “Getting hit in the face with a crowbar is marginally better then taking a ball-peen hammer to the scrotum”. The Democrats have become conservative (they advocate the status quo, not fundamental changes), the Republicans have made a deal with the devil and gone to bed with the Christian fundamentalists, and neither party has the vision to proactively deal with the problems (oil dependency, national and personal debt, etc.) that are going to bite us hard 10-15 years down the road.
Those who think feeling this way is a sign of being intellectually lazy can go fuck themselves.
I knew the difference. Just asking.
What can we say? We like fucking with you.
Thing is, when you offer rational, thought-out arguments for why neither party is addressing the issues you feel are important, there’s nothing intellectually lazy about it at all.
What gets my goat is people who seem to think that hating both parties equally and irrationally somehow equates to nonpartisanship. It’s one thing to say that there’s little difference between the two major parties while offering good reasons and examples for why you think this; it’s quite another to simply say stuff like “They’re politicians so they’re all as bad as each other,” while ignoring important substantive differences on particular issues.
Can you give an example of what you mean by this?
For your information, Kant was a douchebag. 
Your first paragraph entails my whole rant. The same lameass threads about the government. The same lameass rants about the administration. Could have been about Clinton when he was in office, the rants are the same…I hate your person that got into office and ousted mine.
I don’r have an emotional, gut-wrenching rant. I have (had) a rant about the usual posters that stick to a party line regardless of the situation.
Sheesh…and here I thought you were being a cock. Learn me something new every day!
Um. That DOES equate to nonpartisanship. If you dislike both the standard parties, then you MUST be nonpartisanship. Unless you’re an Independant.
But I didn’t start this rant to dis the two parties, onbly to dis the moronic assholes, who, you will notice, haven’t bothered to rear their ugly heads in this thread.
Yes.
If you meant NOW, then you’ll have to wait until tomorrow. As a good excuse, my grandson just decided that it was a good idea to projectile vomit all over everyone in the living room. Gotta love the babies.
That’s incorrect. It only works if you adopt the narrowest possible definition of the term. One can, in fact, be a partisan for particular ideas, beliefs, or ideals that are not connected with any particular party, or that are connected to both.
I could, for example, be a partisan for a business envirnment that makes it easy for American companies to base themselves overseas and take advantage of cheap foreign labor. In that case, both parties (at least over the past 15-20 years) would be pretty satisfactory to me.
I could, on the other hand, be a partisan for a regimen of high tariffs and import duties that discourage businesses to ship production overseas. In that case, neither party would be very appealing to me right now.
There are all sorts of partisans, and while many of them are connected to one of America’s two major political parties, this is not a necessary condition for partisanship.
If they ever add a new forum here, I’d propose The Meta-BBQ Pit, in which people complain about Pit threads.
Now that I look into it a bit deeper…er, no I can’t. I don’t know where I got that idea from and I stand corrected.
My point was that I’m not a strict Dem or Rep nor do I vote along either straight ticket. If I see that one candidate looks better than the other then I vote for that one regardless of the party affiliation.
Again, the point of my OP was NOT to discuss how the two parties differ or which party contains more shitheels than the other but to point out that when a poster here sees a political thread in the pit, they’re gonna jump right in and mindlessly post about how much the other side sucks.
Interesting point though, just not what I was thinking of when I started this lameass thread.
It’s been going on a lot longer than the current administration. Ten years ago, I remember a coworker being thrilled because I wasn’t voting for Clinton. I explained to him that I wasn’t voting for Dole, either, but he didn’t care. He was so rabidly anti-Clinton that any vote that didn’t go to him was a good thing. A conservative friend of mine still considers Clinton the worst president ever and won’t hear any good about him. Before that, I can remember it being implied that if you didn’t support President Reagan you were a traitor. I think it got started around the Reagan era, although Jimmy Carter wasn’t well-liked, either.
On a national level, I have a lot more problems with the Republican level; on a local level, I’ve lived in two cities run by Democrats and haven’t seen them do a very good job of governing. In fact, I blame the former mayor of my current city for running downtown into the ground. I’ve been known to ask candidates to their faces why I should vote for them. I’d like to vote for the person I think will do the best job, but I still remember looking at Bush vs. Gore and seeing two rich young men who weren’t used to losing and wondering how well things could turn out. I got my answer when it took a bit longer than usual to find out who won.
There are good candidates in both parties, although they do seem to be harder to find at the national level. We’ve had worse presidents, despite the way it may seem at times. To me, all this negative campaigning and accusing those who support the opposition of being anything from silly and naive to traitors is only harming us as a nation. I follow political threads and that’s no one’s responsibility but mine, but it does get a bit old sometimes.
So I’m an ignorant partisan asswipe? You haven’t actually looked at my posting history, have you? If you had, you would see that rarely do I bother posting in political threads and when I do, I’m hardly a kneejerk liberal, even though (again judging by those threads) I’m personally probably one of the most liberal people on the board. Regardless, I have no particular desire to give people who share my beliefs a pass, and I’m pretty liable to become critical of people who make bad arguments regardless of party.
But my own actions don’t matter if you’re arguing with me, right? You’ll paint me into whatever corner you can. You’ve decided that since I disagree with you on this one issue, that I’m some partisan fool. Hey, look, you’re doing exactly what you’re pissed at others for! You’re doing exactly what everyone hates politicians for!
In chronological order:
So, which is it? You accuse, either directly or implicitly, these other posters of being the “moronic assholes” you’re pitting in one breath, but in the next you’re denying that any of the people you’re truly pitting have shown up. It might be easier to agree with your points if you weren’t so wildly emotional and inconsistent.
Doh! No, No, NO! I didn’t mean YOU were one! What I meant was that this thread was not about politics and politicians so much as it’s about the posters who have no clue about anything other than following the party herd.
Hell, I have a lot of respect for you as a poster. I’m really sorry that came out the way that it did as it wasn’t intended to be directed AT you but as a response to your previous post.
The first was directed at aurelian because he(?) came into the thread and did exactly what I expected.
The second is explained in my post previous to this one and I apologize again for the confusion that I caused by not explaining more fully.
The third was obviously directed at the people who have NOT shown up here.
Sorry if I seem emotional about this. I’m really not.