I certainly don’t think that God, a higher power, Yoda, or little green men placed the cross in the rubble. However, there is a place and a time to keep your fucking trap shut when it comes to voicing your opinion to those who believe otherwise.
There are always one or two jackasses who feel the need to kick someone when they are at their weakest. If it helps these people who are going through something you most likely will never have to experience in your pathetic little life, let them have it.
For you to be so self-centered that you would take this opportunity to push your non-beliefs onto these people during the indescribable horrific things they are experiencing right now is despicable, disgusting, and makes you appear to be nothing more than the piece of dog shit I wiped off my shoe this morning.
That was lovely and I really cannot think of a better way to start my day.
Cross schmoss. I was thinking I’d have 2,000 pairs of bikini briefs down to ground zero so they can put them on their heads because I think it would make them feel better.
Diane, Grace, and all of the other people who I am sure will eventually arrive,
I’ll say it now so you are not mistaken; I don’t give a fuck if a cross makes them feel comfortable. It makes me uncomfortable because it is not inclusive of everyone who died, everyone who is working at the site, or every American, including myself.
As for maintaining Christian beliefs and ideals, I am sure that if you went down there and asked the average worker what treatment Bin Laden should recieve, they would reply that he should receive the worst death imaginable. I am positive that theat is the most probable and popular sentiment at Ground Zero. Some people are quick to forget the ideals of their religion at the times when they need to be the strongest. Remember “Thou shalt not kill” or “Turn the other cheek” or “the Prodigal Son”? Hey, I didn’t write it.
Of course I am making a generalization of what I have gathered from the majority of New Yorkers that I have spoken with; that they all want Bin Laden “dead, dead, dead.” In all honesty I think that the majority of Christian workers at Ground Zero are a bunch of hypocritical, contradictory fucks; that they will preach the Lord then turn around and wish Bin Laden dead. Am I wrong? Tell me, am I wrong?
I have no problem with Jesus. In fact, Jesus is just alright with me. I was being sarcastic about Christians being lucky, but I am miffed that people are being so shallow as to not feel the need to display a symbol to the workers and the rest of the world that includes everyone. Every religion. Maybe a peace symbol?
I’d like to congradulate you on being a clueless asshole. It must be serene, always being soooo right. You have no fucking right to dictate what is or isn’t appropriate for others. You are entitled to your opinion, and you certainly have every right to express your opinion, but you do not have the right to blast people who are trying to derive comfort from their faith. To do so is sick, sadistic, and should be banned from even the Pit.
I have read that passage before and I believe that he hated the organized religions of his day, the ones who would kill you if you were a Christian and promoted the sales of idols and their worship. Organized religion has obviuosly experienced some changes since the time of Jesus. I am sure he would have no problem with the religions today based solely on the fact that not all are money grubbing(though some still do exist) and will not have you killed if you believe in something different.
Me the clueless asshole? What about all of those Christians out there that would love to see OBL quartered and sent to the four corners of the world? Maybe we should inform those ignorant souls that Earth is round and that the Bible is wholly against capital punishment.
Checking in, but not adding anything to the topic. You don’t need any help from me to make you look like a dumb fuck. You’re doing a pretty good job of it all on your own. Carry on.
I think you win some kind of prize for “Most Unfounded Assumptions in a Single Post”.
Assumption #1: That most of the rescue workers at Ground Zero would call for “the worst death imaginable” for Bin Laden.
Assumption #2: That most of the rescue workers at Ground Zero adhere to a religion of some kind.
Assumption #3: That most of the rescue workers at Ground Zero who adhere to a religion of some kind, adhere to a religion that preaches “forgiveness of enemies”.
Assumption #4: That the rescue workers at Ground Zero who adhere to a religion of some kind, said religion being one that preaches “forgiveness of enemies”, would nevertheless advocate “the worst death imaginable” for Bin Laden, thus making them hypocrites.
Assumption #5: That most of the rescue workers at Ground Zero are Christian.
Assumption #6: That most of the Christian rescue workers at Ground Zero, while adhering to a religion that preaches “forgiveness of enemies”, would nevertheless advocate “the worst death imaginable” for Bin Laden, thus making them hypocrites.
Assumption #7: That Christianity as a religion does not call for punishment for anyone, that it is exclusively a religion of “kindness”, of “turn the other cheek”, of “forgiveness of enemies”.
Assumption #8: That what “the majority of New Yorkers” you have spoken with want accurately reflects what the rescue workers at Ground Zero want.
Assumption #9: That wishing someone was “dead, dead, dead” is the same thing as wishing him to undergo “the worst death imaginable”.
Can’t get much more “capital” than “your soul burning for all eternity in a lake of fire”. Makes “being drawn and quartered” look good by comparison.
So let me get this right, the only reason the cross is there because it makes the workers feel better, and since the workers have quite possibly one of the grizzliest jobs imaginable we should beckon to the every whim? I disagree. I think a cross is out of place. I don’t care if you all get your panties in a bunch just because mine are. More publicity.
And you’re wrong. The shit down there (here, actually, since I’m currently down the street from the site) is poison for the soul. Anything that might lighten the burden of those who have to sift throught that site is OK by me.
Dammit Sultan, don’t you know that you’re not allowed to say that those brave, heroic rescue workers are anything but good decent people, and that we should give them anything they want so long as they get comfort?
Every whim? No. A need for spiritual comfort? YES, YES, A THOUSAND TIMES YES.
For heaven’s sake, there have been accounts that the search DOGS have become noticeably depressed because they’re not finding LIVE bodies. The stories have been that other rescue workers will occasionally hide in the rubble for the sole purpose of allowing the dogs to find someone ALIVE.
Do you have a problem with that?
If not, then why in the world should we treat the dogs better than the people? Rescue dogs find comfort in finding someone alive.
Some of the human workers find comfort in a scrap of metal in the shape of a cross. Let 'em have it.
How selfish are you, anyway? GET OVER YOURSELF, SULTAN.
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Oh, fer chrissakes. Here’s a clue - not everything in the world has to be inclusive. Absolutely, the “Iron Cross” does not relate to the non-Xian victims or workers. So what? It helps those that it helps. It doesn’t help those it doesn’t help. Sounds fine to me.
Every time I pass the synagogue on my street, I realize I am “excluded” there. Should we tear them all down? Should we burn all Israeli flags because of that “exclusionary” Star of David? How about banning Kwanzaa, Ramadan, and Yom Kippur?
No, Sultan, in the real world many things apply to certain people and not to others. And that is generally a good thing.
You are wrong. Let me repeat, you are wrong, on so many levels.
Biblical. If we want to look at the Bible you so selectively quote, we can also turn to large swathes of the Old Testament, where G-d not only encouraged the Israelites to war against others, but where G-d himself killed enemies of the Israelites en masse - the killing of the first-born of Egypt (the original terrorist act) and the drowning of Pharoah’s army spring to mind. So G-d is sending mixed messages - people aren’t hypocrites if they follow one and not the other;
Theological - Christianity has developed the concept of the “just war”. You may disagree with the just war concept, but Christians who adhere to it aren’t “hypocritical, contradictory fucks” - indeed they are consistent with their beliefs. Further, Christianity sanctions violence in self-defense, which also applies here.
Obviously, you have issues, Sultan. Fine; so do I. Unlike you, however, I ain’t a shit about them. Grow up.