Secret board info on its way.
Speaking as we are about secret boards info, can you pass me the link please?
Well, this thread is quiet. Is all the action at the secret boards?
I’m sad to have died, as I felt I was one of the few who were actively working to get people to rely less on the dossiers. Oh well, we’ll see what happens today. I fear the success of the previous lynch is going to lead to more overreliance on the dossiers.
You’re right on the nose on several points. There hasn’t been much action in any of the threads, including the Game thread.
Well, as my corpse is still fresh, I’m still interested in how this game turns out, so I’m going to attempt to revive the discussion here. I’m very pleased that brewha is on the hot seat right now as he was my #1 suspect. I’m glad sach is on him, because he and I seemed to thinking similarly throughout this game so far, and I think he is town. I also like the way he is utilizing the dossiers to go after brewha: namely, he is not focusing on the dossier itself, but on **brewha’s **behavior with and statements about the dossiers, i.e. trying to catch him in a lie. IMHO, that’s what Associates should be doing.
I’m not happy with **Hockey Monkey’s **approach, which seems like pure speculation and chaff-throwing. Could still be a misguided townie, but she’s on my watch list.
Oh, and one more thing: Diomedes made a comment that maybe I misheard or made a mistake on the killer’s trait in my death post. This is very suspicious to me. He should know that that language comes straight from the mods. That read to me like obfuscation, and he’s also on my suspicion list.
I’m still following the game, I just haven’t had too much to say. But then I never do say much.
I hope that one or two other players follow Storyteller’s approach, as it will add a second dimension to the game and perk interest back up.
I agree. I like **story’s **analysis, and he’s pinging on exactly the same people I was pinging on (except Hawkeye, who I have no read on). I hope he and sach can rally the town to some quality analysis (assuming they are town, of course 
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Hopefully your lynch will do the town some good after all. 
I’m very glad I stuck to my guns on that one - it smelled funny to me and I tried to get people to think twice about it, but failed.
ShadowFacts are you going to stay in the dark on who is who? Most of the detailed discussion is going on in the off-site discussion board but it is assumed perfect knowledge.
Yeah, NAF sent me the link and I’m over there now. Surprises all around
I finally had a chance to read through this game. Not much action in the spectator thread it seems. I’m trying to resist requesting the prefect knowledge link because I enjoy trying to figure out who the scum are more than just following along. Anyone not spoiled still following the game?
To get things restarted around here, I think Pleonast is scum. Same with Hawkeyeop. I think Hal is town, and I mostly think both brewha and sachertorte are too. The rest I have mixed feelings on. I originally thought that faithfool slipped, like everyone else thinks/thought, but now I’m not so sure.
storyteller0910 is scum. He’s always scum, even when the Mods don’t agree. I find myself agreeing with everything he says… it’s so logical, and makes so much sense, so it must be manufactured to gain trust. Mark my words, he’s scum this time.
Of course, I was convinced Cookies and Kat were scum based on their current posting style and my past experience playing with them, so reverse my list and it will probably be closer to true.
What does everyone that doesn’t already know think of the dossier clue: “It’s either you or me, and I’m not giving up my chance to try gebackenes before I die?”
On its face it seems to be saying that the killer hadn’t eaten cow udders, but that’s not the way this seems to work. The actual dossier clue would usually be that the killer had, but of course scum lie. I wonder if the Mods are using this as an extra clue to say that the killer actually has but that they didn’t list it in their reveal of their dossier. I’m also a little concerned that there wasn’t at least a little more talk about the clue–it seems everyone just dropped it.
After a quick review I see sachertorte had the same theory about the Mods hinting at a false dossier that I did, and maybe that’s where I got my idea. However, since he’s the only one with that item in his dossier he would say that.
These games are such fun, even just watching.
I am!
As much as I’d like to be wrong, I somehow think Pleonast and Dio are actually town. Both of them are simply cutthroat; I hope I’m never up against them if I play.
I’m still trying to remember what all I based this conjecture on, but I “deduced” (wild-assed guessed) that brewha, faithfool, and Hal were scum. This would mean Hal’s doing a heckuva job playing innocent. I’m still not sure on Storyteller and Sachertorte; not only am I getting their posts confused with one another, but their posts are also rather long full of analysis that I can’t quite wrap my head around sometimes. The rest of the players… no idea. I think I guessed one or two more were scum, based on their interactions with and voting in regard to the above suspected scum, but it’s all pretty tentative.
As for the gebackenes clue… idunno. I figured it’s most likely one of two scenarios: the dead player changed the clue’s wording a bit too much in their death post, or the mods gave an anti-clue (“The killer does not have the ‘I have eaten cow udder’ fact on their dossier”). I don’t think it’s a separate dossier fact that someone had but was covered up; it’s too similar to the other cow-udder-clue. Somehow, as diabolical as the mods are, I like to think they’d have gone for more diversity.
Also, zuma seriously needs to stop with the phone posts. I mean, ow.
Good, I’m not alone. 
I’ll admit that I read the entire game yesterday, so my gut feeling might be tainted by the fact that I didn’t have to wait for responses and think things through. To me, though, both of them have seemed rather suspect in their weak logic in going after people. They seem to be deciding whom to go after before coming up with a good reason, and when called on it falling back with attacks that don’t add up. I can certainly understand them leaping with gut feelings and then trying to justify it, but something about Pleonast especially has seemed off to me.
Someone in the game (I’m not sure who, and I’m too lazy since I’m just spectating to check) proposed Hal was trying to cover up for faithfool with his claim that the dossier was true. Hal doesn’t seem to me like the type of player who would so transparently defend a fellow scum who was likely to be lynched at that point. (But maybe that’s what he wants us/them to think?) Therefore if Hal is scum I doubt faithfool is.
brewha posted his “I have a theory and I’m not going to tell you about it,” and then later recanted it, which I don’t think scum would do at that point in the game. Scum had nothing to gain by that but I can see a townie reading too much into the dossier twist doing it. I also think the brewha “other thread” thing is either a misunderstanding or pushed by the scum, but I lean towards a misunderstanding because at least in the previous SDMB games it seems the scum don’t tend to actively look for those types of inconsistencies but rather latch onto them. To me that feels like a town-on-town attack.
Again I’m too lazy to go back and look at the actual rules post, but didn’t it say that those the scum kill will get a random dossier fact about their killer? It seems to really weaken this town advantage if they are going to give clues about traits the killer didn’t have. I think it’s more likely that the Mods are saying that the killer really did have the udder item in their dossier, but they might be saying “scum lie, and therefore lied in the death scene and you can’t read anything else into it” or “scum lie, and they lied about it in their public reveal.” Unfortunately that means either sach is scum or he isn’t, which doesn’t help much yet. If he is I have to give him a lot of credit for the way he derailed that particular lynch mob since he seemed very genuine to me.
On the meta-game level the clue seems rather obvious to me, where I thought they would probably get more obscure. To me this means that they intended the clue to be found easily but didn’t expect the real meaning to be obvious. Counting on hidden knowledge, that the real holder of this dossier item hadn’t revealed it, seems to fit. I could be buying into sach’s theory to save himself, though, so maybe the negating language was just thrown in to cast a little doubt.
Agreed. It is kind of fun to try to figure out what he is really trying to say, though. Almost a puzzle within a game that is itself a puzzle.
If you REALLY want to know, PM me and I can tell you what the clue means. Or I will send you the link to the spoiler thread. Its a party over there.
Come to the dark side. We actually do have cookies. 
I concur – WTF is with zuma and his incoherent posts? I want to lynch him on general principles.
The deceased vision does seem to indicate Hockey Monkey, assuming everybody’s honest about their dossiers. So who is lying about their info?
The sig file and “Thanks!” bits from the death post are getting to me. Especially the sig file. A half-wittted “eureaka!” moment led me to think maybe Kat figured out on her own who killed her, or at least had a strong idea, and those comments were clues to a specific player by way of their signatures on the board. I checked all the living players; no dice. Nothing comes close. Would’ve been cool, though, had that really been the case.
As for Hockey… As much as I hate metagaming, the observation that NAF’s comment to her likely indicates her as innocent is pretty interesting thinking. Not sure I’m sold on it, but it’s a little convincing.
Spamming this thread a bit to toot my own horn, so to speak:
Signups are open for the next off-board Mafia game
I’m going to be the Evil Disembodied Voice From the Sky (i.e. Game Mod), so you can’t vote for me this time. 
Why not? Is there a rule about no voting for the mod?
This is the first mafia game that I’ve ever followed and I’m not “spoiled”. I must say that it is sometimes difficult to keep up with it; though other times I wish it would move much faster. Is that typical of these games in general?
I was sure that either Dio or Faithfool would be scum, but with the departure of Dio and Hal it looks like that isn’t the case. Technically Faithfool could still be scum, I guess…but her post to Dio saying, “I guess we were both wrong” indicates to me that she isn’t. :: shrug ::
Does anyone out there have any thoughts?
I decided I needed to spend less time reading Mafia games after having a dream in which I was actually playing Mafia, and Come to the Darkside We have Cookies(probably not the correct spelling/spacing) attacked me on the basis of the number of letters in my name.
(And I never have any idea who is Scum or who isn’t. But I must say, I have a lot of sympathy for brewha, because in the only live game of Mafia I ever won as a Mafia person, we got down to three players. And I had to vigorously accuse one of the others of being Mafia. Which was out of character, but otherwise I was doomed. I won, because the third player picked at random, really, despite good arguments from the player I accused, arguments from me, and advice from the Zombie Gallery that one of the players left was acting out of character. I so wanted to slap the Zombie Gallery for making it harder for me to win).
I had a dream last night that the Kool-aid man was shooting ice cubes at me. I have no idea where that came from.