[QUOTE=Rysto]
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HM has made no mention of this whatsoever. She keeps trying to give the impression that I voted for no reason at all. This is doubly scummy: not only has she not bothered to investigate her theory, she hasn’t considered exculpatory evidence even after I pointed it out. Again, this looks much more convincing from my perspective, because I know that I’m not town.
SNIP.
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Shall I take this as a scum slip or an out and out confession?
[QUOTE=Hawkeyeop]
So what does everyone think about Sach. The things that bother me are:
His vote for Brewha on day 6
He had a revealed trait on his dossier (assuming that we were right about the pig trait). No one else had that trait. We never followed up on it.
He argued against revealing dossiers.
Zuma was suspicious of his playing style. I don’t really know Sach’s playing style very well, but we do know that Zuma is trustworthy.
He has offered very little analysis of late and is currently MIA. He has however posted a vote count on the other board.
I can probably find more if I comb through the thread. However, I tried doing that Brewha and ended only getting halfway through and getting nothing posted, so I’m going for quick over nothing.
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I was not the only person suspicious of brewha on Day 6, and my suspicion persists. I don’t see how zuma being Town exonerates brewha. I accepted zuma’s reasoning that brewha and/or HazelNutCoffee were scum. I chose brewha over HazelNutCoffee for reasons I outlined on Day 6: my previous suspicion of brewha and I did not accept HazelNutCoffee’s vote history as reason to vote for her.
Cow-udders. Yes, I’ve tried them.
Yes, I argued against dossier reveals. I felt that revealing them would hurt the town more than help. I still think there is real potential damage there, see #2.
I acknowledged and still acknowledge that my behavior is different in this game than in M5. I believe that is to be expected.
I don’t see how the other game is relevant to this one. I’m not even playing that game.
[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey]
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Shall I take this as a scum slip or an out and out confession?
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How about dumb brainfart? Dunno what I was thinking there. I guess I mixed up “I know that I’m town” and “I know that I’m not scum” in my head?
Why are you so confident that it was Freudian Slit? She shared no traits that the killer had, and we did not use dossier evidence to lynch her. I think Sach might of behind those two killings, and then pulled when it became too likely that his public trait would be revealed. I thought Hockey matched a trait from the first killer, not the second. I’ll have to go look that up.
Yup. The dossier reveals were clearly a pro town mechanism. The town didn’t fully know at that point, but the scum did. I find it unlikely that there was no scum arguing in favor of not revealing.
Well if you are going to use Zuma’s feeling on Brewha as a defense, then I think we have to consider his feelings on other individuals as well. It isn’t a major point, but I thought it worth noting. On preview, you expanded on your point, so I’ll just stick with it is worth noting.
When have I wanted to lynch lurkers before?
[QUOTE=Hawkeyeop]
Why are you so confident that it was Freudian Slit? She shared no traits that the killer had, and we did not use dossier evidence to lynch her.
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Because the scum changed killers when she was dead? Which they haven’t seemed to do unless their killer was lynched?
Uh, me?
[QUOTE=sachertorte]
I agree with you completely. But I know I’m not scum, I don’t think Faith is scum, and I find it unlikely that both scum voted for Hazel. Perhaps if Brewha is scum it would make sense, but even then, I would think the scum would split their votes.
Yes, but so far the people who have had killer traits revealed have been more likely to be scum. It isn’t a guarantee, but is definitely a negative on your and Pleo’s accounts.
Just a sign that you still exist.
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[QUOTE=Rysto]
Because the scum changed killers when she was dead? Which they haven’t seemed to do unless their killer was lynched?
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Well the only other time a killer had two traits revealed was OAOW and he was killed before he could be used again. With each trait revealed the odd’s of the next trait being revealed being the public trait increased. It is also possible that Sach had other traits that he didn’t lie about. A second trait of his coming up would of been a big black mark.
[QUOTE=Rysto]
Uh, me?
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Well I haven’t been proven wrong on that one yet. Hazel was a bigger lurker and I certainly came to her defense, wrongly in retrospect.
One more point on Sach. His vote broke the tie between Hazel and Dio day 5. While Brewha caused the lynch, at that point, his vote was more voting Dio over a no lynch. Sach chose to put Dio on the brink of lynch rather then Hazel.
Oh, and while I’m thinking about this, next week I’ll be on Reading Week. I think that I’m going skiing Monday though Wednesday and won’t have any internet access during that time. I think that the next Day will end on Thursday so hopefully my absence won’t be a big problem. If my plans change any I’ll let you all know.
[QUOTE=Hawkeyeop]
I thought Hockey matched a trait from the first killer, not the second. I’ll have to go look that up.
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Have you had a chance to look at this, Hawkeyeop? I’m not of a mind to dig back through this huge thread to find the Day 4 clue; I’ve spent too much time on this thread today as it is.
[QUOTE=Hawkeyeop]
While Brewha caused the lynch, at that point, his vote was more voting Dio over a no lynch.
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Take a look at the post directly above mine before you put all the blame on my shoulders.
If you need a reminder, you pleaded that someone make the final vote so that we didn’t have a no lynch.
I’m not saying that no blame should be on me, I’m just saying that there’s enough to go around and you can claim your share.
9hrs 15min til lynch.
set your clocks.
[QUOTE=brewha]
Take a look at the post directly above mine before you put all the blame on my shoulders.
If you need a reminder, you pleaded that someone make the final vote so that we didn’t have a no lynch.
I’m not saying that no blame should be on me, I’m just saying that there’s enough to go around and you can claim your share.
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Sorry if that wasn’t clear, that was actually a defense of you. What I meant was Sach voted Dio over Hazel. You voted Dio over a no lynch. Thus I find Sach’s vote more suspicious.
[QUOTE=Rysto]
Have you had a chance to look at this, Hawkeyeop? I’m not of a mind to dig back through this huge thread to find the Day 4 clue; I’ve spent too much time on this thread today as it is.
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Hockey Monkey once drove a VW Bug through the front door of a 7/11. OAOW shared this trait. I think we can safely say OAOW was the first killer and not Hockey. Sach was alone on the pig trait.
We’ve got a little less than 5 hrs to go and I think we need to come to a concensus. Unfortunatley, it seems that we are not going to be able to count on Faithfool for a vote - unless she happens to get computer access before the deadline.
It’s likely that there’s 2 scum left. There’s 7 people still playing - which means 5 town. If Faith is town, we need all 4 of us active townies to vote together.
I’m going with what voting evidence I have and I’m going to side with Rysto and Pleo.
Vote Hockey Monkey
Hawkeye is looking less and less scummy - though still near the top of my list.
The important thing is that we lynch someone today. A no lynch is almost as bad for us as a town lynch, and at least if we do end up with a town lynch we can learn something. We will learn nothing from a no lynch.
The only thing you will learn from lynching me is that I’m town, and you will be in a lynch or lose situation come Morning . :::sigh::: I hope my death post will give you the additional information you will need to find scum.
No, it won’t. I won’t get a juicy death post. I was so looking forward to a juicy death post too. 
[QUOTE=brewha]
It’s likely that there’s 2 scum left. There’s 7 people still playing - which means 5 town. If Faith is town, we need all 4 of us active townies to vote together.
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There five scum originally and three killed, so it is definite that there are two left. I don’t like lynching Hockey, but will vote for her if we need a majority. After all, I was wrong on Hazel, so I could be wrong on Hockey as well. I agree a no lynch should be avoided.
I am concerned about Faith though. Assuming she is town, if we end up a lynch or lose scenario, and she isn’t around to vote, we can’t win. A mod kill would have more or less the same affect though. A substitute may be order, but as Naf said, it is a bit late for that.
My current list from most scummy to least.
Non official vote count:
Hockey Monkey (3) - Pleonast, Rysto, Brewha
Sachertorte* (1) - Hawkeyeop
Rysto (1) - Hockey Monkey
Yet to vote - Faithfool, Sachertorte.
*apologies to sach as I believe this is the first time I’ve actually checked to see if I had been spelling his name correctly - I hadn’t til this post :smack:
[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey]
No, it won’t. I won’t get a juicy death post. I was so looking forward to a juicy death post too. 
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Why wouldn’t you? You can have an epic death even if you are lynched. just ask Dio.