Let me ask you, my take on it is to live by Love regardless of rules, religions or laws, is this what you object too?
I am very pleased with this thread, the effect was God’s intention not mine. It is clear that there are people who support God and God works through, and have agreement about certain aspects of faith which is always welcome, I have found out about Antinomianism which I am interested in finding more about, I believe the exchange is positive for some here.
My original assumptions as to how it may be for others are even playing out to some degree.
All is well with my soul.
David42 The verses you use to reject having a Christmas tree I understand. In my own walk I have received don’t let the Law get in the way of doing the work of God, as such I cite the healing Jesus did on the Sabbath and the bread David got for his starving men, though the bread was forbidden by the law. If you act in Love then the Law does not matter. This was a message for me in my walk.
I would also like to give you a scripture somewhat similar to the one you cite about the Christmas tree, and what I believe the meaning is as revealed to me. Is 44:14-18
In this a person uses half of the wood for fuel and half as his god. This is what I believe has been revealed. It is people who depend on what they have stored up. Where I live people will stockpile sometimes years of firewood, they depend on that to keep them warm regardless of oil prices, or civil breakdown, instead of depending on God.
That is how I understand the violation of no gods before Me.
My money’s on the smug one.
But that’s not exactly true, is it? Rules, religions, and laws are a big part of what you try to live by.
As far as I know, no. Perhaps you can give a example, and if you find one or some you may help me remove that from my life.
When you cross a street at a marked crosswalk, do you wait for the walk sign, or do you just step out and “love” all the cars into stopping for you?
I’ve had angels stop traffic for me on occasion.
A lot of it depends on the circumstance and leading of God. There are no hard and fast rules, just the Love of God towards all of humanity.
Some must be under laws, as they don’t know. Around these people it is more likely that I will obey such things as this is what they need and what I need to do. Other times I see people standing at the don’t walk sign though there is no traffic and I am lead to cross to let them know that they don’t have to wait if it’s clear.
One example of religion in your life is randomly opening up the bible and using whatever passage you find in an argument.
My question, and your response, should be stickied at the top of this forum as an open warning to all those who would try to engage you in debate.
It’s just not the bible, it could be a movie, a song, a saying, really anything. It just was the bible this time.
All has been created by God, and it’s His choice not mine.
But I do believe God has taught me personally with the Bible used as my text book in His school. It is what He chose for me, for others He may use other works and that’s the way it’s suppose to be.
For the book you learn from will also be the one a student will refer to.
Why? If I am inconsistent then that is not a valid representation of me or my views, if I am consistent then my posts will reflect this always.
I believe the issue is in you, as this is not the first time you have done such a thing, my beliefs somehow threaten yours and you feel the need to try to somehow discredit me to silence me. It is most likely why God had you ask that question and why God prompted me to give such a answer, to bring us to this point, and up to now I don’t believe you addressed the rest of my answer.
So it’s your issue as far as I see.
Why did you start this thread, if not to threaten beliefs?
As long as the definition of love is appropriate, then you cannot violate the law, because (1 Cor 13) “Love…does not delight in sin.”
What the law is does matter, however.
I should draw the distinction here, as it is drawn in the scripture. First there is the Yah-given law, which James calls the Royal law. Then there are the edicts of men. The former in Greek is referred to as NOMOS, and the latter referred to in Greek as DOGMA.
Nowhere in the NOMOS is there acommand not to heal. What Yehushua complained of were all the added restrictions that the teachers of the law had added in and were not originally handed down by Yah. Yehushua was no despiser of Sabbath and never taught not to keep it; He gave prophecy of the end time and instructed his followers to pray that their flight did not come on a Sabbath day. If he had no regard for sabbath, he wouldn’t have said this. Yehushua upheld the royal law all the way.
You do not let man-made laws get in the way of doing the will of Yah.
But keeping the royal law IS the work of Yah, though it is not all of it. Never should you start thinking, “I can murder because I can do the work of Yah thereby.” Or, “this den of thieves will only accept me if I thieve as well. Since my motivation is to lead them to Yah, I can steal.” Or, “these pagans will accept the teachings of Yah if we incorporate the trappings of paganism and reinvent their religion in name, but allow the substance of it.”
Please note that John, in Revelation, predicted a beast who would “think to change Yah’s times and laws.” If indeed the law was done away with on the cross, why should there be concern over an attempted change?
As changes in Yah’s law is a characteristic of the beast, I can assure myself I do not follow the beast (which is very crafty and deceives the vast majority) which is the child of the father of lies, if I reject ALL attempted change in Yah’s law. Anyone who tells me there is no law or the law changed, I do not listen to, with regard to the NOMOS. DOGMA is ok to ignore because that was the commandments of men to begin with.
Yehushua never acted contrary to Yah’s commands; that is why He is held blameless. If Yah had ever commanded, do not heal on the Sabbath, and Yehushua contradicted him, I would not follow Yehushua, as I’d have to interpret his words as excuse-making to do whatever he desires.
Mainstream Christianity is full of excuse-making. Do not forget that the way is narrow; the broad path is full of hypocrites who first and foremost worship as their families before them did with no critical thinking applied, and will defend it 100% no matter how many scriptures are presented to the contrary. Their tricks are numerous in their excuse seeking. Foremost of these is to institute a change in the law “in honor of” Yehushua. Anything is ok, they figure as long as you pay the lip service and say you do it to honor Yehushua.
Even though there is no scrip[ture that says Yehushua rose from the grave on the day of the Sungod, they will insist he did and therefore we will fail to honor the resurection if we do not switch sabbath to the day of the sungod.
(Scripture only says it was discovered the tomb was empty on the first day of the week.)
Now think about this: If one’s logic demands that an Xmas tree is not pagan because we have given it another name and we honor Yehushua thereby, why then do christians not honor the sungod by keeping the pagan name of the day?
I mean all this pagan stuff is ok because we do it in Jesus’ name. Is using the name “Sunday” then lip service to the sungod? How come we do not honor the sungod when we keep the name Sunday?
Here they say it is the substance that matters; because we worship Yah and not Baal on “Sunday.” But that’s part of the worship, choosing that day.
Would you say burning the Bill of Rights honors James Madison? Dividing the Union honors Abraham Lincoln? War honors Ghandi?
Changing the law or claiming it does not exist DOES NOT honor Yehushua!
I wish you guys had the faintest idea of how crazy you seem to me.
To show people that kanicbird is special, that God speaks to kanicbird, and that miracles happen to kanicbird every single day.
As I interpret the OP, it is not a thread to discuss whether or not Yah exists. It is a thread to discuss whether or Yah worked through kanicbird, or perhaps, more broadly, whether Yah works through people in general.
Not trying to be a hypocrite, I do notice the thread has gone far afield from the original premises. Just saying, this is a thread for those willing to presume Yah exists and the judeo/christian framework is the appropriate manner in which to discuss.
kanicbird did not start the thread, it would appear to me, to try to change anyone’s views, other than a view that Yah does not work through people.
Or maybe I do have an idea and don’t really care if you think I’m crazy, on the assumption you would resist any and all efforts to show you why its not crazy?
Lots of people claim to be in some sort of communication with God or other supernatural forces. How do you know it’s real, and not a mental disturbance, Kanicbird? How are other supposed to recognize that YOUR communication is real, as opposed to the many others who have very similar claims?
Or maybe it’s your efforts that gave him the idea in the first place?