Your axioms are so far from a rational starting point that I don’t think we even speak the same logical language. But I was brought up a Christian, so it’s not like I haven’t considered the subject before.
Love follows the rules.
1 Cor 13, “Love…does not delight in iniquity.”
It’s not love if it ignores Yah’s law.
It can ignore man’s law to the extent that man’s law interferes with love.
For instance, in a Florida community near DisneyWorld, there is a city ordinance against feeding the homeless. (They want their community clean and spiffy for all the tourists) I say this rule interferes with Yah’s work and it is ok to ignore it and feed the homeless anyway.
Is it o.k. to pay the fine for encouraging the homeless to gather near that area and camp out, and is it o.k. to leave the mess for others to clean up?
There are tests laid out in the scripture. It’s three fold:
- what a spirit or a person says can be backed up with scripture
- What a spirit or a person does is done in the Name of Yah.
- What a spirit or a person does or says bears good fruit.
A false spirit can do any two of the three maximum. If one of the three is missing, then you should conclude its false.
I’m not claiming there is any one verse in the scripture contains this test as I set forth; it’s an amalgam of numerous scripture.
An example in operation is that of satan tempting Yehushua.
satan passed the first prong of the test: Cited scripture. He passed the second prong by praising Yehushua to some extent. He failed the third prong because there was no bearing of good fruit.
Personally, I’d pay the fine and clean up. I couldn’t condemn resistance to paying the fine per se, but in no circumstance should they leave a mess and dirty up a park.
There is a lot here to go though, but I would like your take on King David taking the bread which is I believe forbidden directly by God and not dogma, yet Jesus Himself shows that David was blameless for it.
My take on it is David was under the Grace of Christ, and not under the Law. The Law did not apply to David as it does not apply to anyone who acts under Love.
This bread is also symboloc of the Bread of Christ, His body, which it is no longer a high priest who has access too, but anyone who is God’s child. David had the right to enter the holy of hollies as the veil was torn for him, and because his heart was right with God, therefor no sin.
I contend that King David knew Jesus, though history timeline shows that to be impossible, yet everything is possible with God, God does not change God is the same yesterday, today, tomorrow & forever, the only way to God is through Jesus, so the only way King David to get to God is through Jesus. God promises if you seek me you will find me, King David sought out God. David knew the Lord even calling Him Lord as Jesus confirmed.
I would question your tests, as you may have left out a important and critical aspect. A gift from God, a gift of the Holy Spirit called ‘distinguishing between the spirits’ as written about in scriptures. Without this gift, one is determining these things on their own, outside the will of God, and even if successful, the person can claim glory for themselves instead of giving glory to God and even if you determined correctly, you have not done the will or work of God and therefore the determination is worthless.
Note Jesus was lead there by the Holy Spirit and I contend using the gifts in His battle with Satan.
Not quite as dramatic as the parting of the Red Sea, but inspirational nonetheless…up until the part where you have to explain to the nice officer that you were divinely inspired to jaywalk, winding up in custody under a 24-hour mental health hold, along with various people whom God has advised to commit other dubious acts.
I cannot find an express command ever given not to eat the shewbread.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=shewbread&t=KJV
Yehushua remarked that it was not lawful for David to eat the shewbread. However, the greek does not have Yehushua saying David violated NOMOS, he has him violating exesti
here are search results for exesti. G1832 - exesti - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)
compare that with search results for nomos.
and also compare the uses of dogma
There are some major differences in the usage of these words. Studying them can help you understand what I am talking about.
“English Only” or worse “King James English Only” is the utter downfall of a biblical truth-seeker. It is impossible to understand the truth of what was written if you do not consider the original language.
I do know, first I was there myself, 2nd many people who profess no faith including many on this board, appear just as crazy to me. I have seen the heavens, met God, seen the spiritual and even the underworld. I see it interacting with our reality, that is what this thread is about, God working here, so I know the craziness of the people who claim faith.
Plato’s analogy of the cave is a pretty accurate description as to how I see things.
Nitpick: The officer would not lawfully do that unless the patient were a serious threat to himself or others. That could be–was the jaywalker in the middle of a rush-hour expressway “parting traffic” or in a somewhat less dangerous environment?
My understanding is it’s prohibided by Lev 24 5-9
And I agree about the KJV, It kept me from reading the bible for many years, to me it is not understandable and may as well have been written in Klingon.
1 Cor 12:10
“To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:”
Only some receive the gift. Some may think they have it and not have it.
For those who believe they do not have this gift and are subject to confusion sown by false spirits, they may be identified in the threefold test I showed you. This threefold test can be used by anyone.
The gift of discerning spirits is not given to all. I’m not eliminating it, I’m just not insisting that it has to be used in all cases by anyone who would seek to determine whether a spirit speaks falsely. The gift is good, but not everyone has it.
I’ve had similar things happen. I had a cop stop me while I was with 3 people who where fairly to very drunk, and I have also has some to drink. There were open bottles of wine in my car, and I was exceeding the speed limit by a fair amount when he started his pursuit.
At my side appeared Arch Angel Micheal who told the officer ‘you are not needed here, I am watching over them’, the officer immediately returned my license wished me a good day and returned to his car.
When you are doing God’s work you are above earthly authority.
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That’s where God come in, and God working though others, the reason we don’t have all the gifts in one person is because we are suppose to work with each other in brotherhood with Lord Jesus.
So though the gift may not be given to all, all in Christ Jesus have access to it.
Your rules may be a starting point to question, but I contend and caution it is for God to expose, not man. I believe man has made such errors far too often and results in killing of God’s prophets and also things like the Salem witch trials.
Jesus states it is the heart that determines the man and I don’t feel we are made to judge the heart, and judging actions can be deceptive, especially from a God who will correct mistakes so that all is working for the good for those who love him.
See what I mean? Mad as a box of frogs.
I’m thinking over your objection based on Lev 24.
To the other, it’s not that King James is any worse than another, all translations have their drawbacks. We just should not devote ourselves to any particular English translation. Myself, I compare many different translations (As a used book dealer it is easy for me to obtain many different translations and I have about twenty) but the botom line for me is the original hebrew or greek.
When Paul advised to “test the spirits” I believe he was advising humans to do so. How do we know its Yah who tells us a spirit is false, if the spirit we call Yah does not give us these hallmarks?
satan is crafty and seeks to deceive us that he is Yah, and appears as a shining angel, and says many things that seem to make sense, if we abandon scriptural authority, the name of Yah, or the bearing of good fruit.
Under what circumstance was your violation of the earthly authority necessary to do Yah’s work? I mean, here you are seeming to tell us that this drinking party on wheels was the work of Yah. Could the work of Yah been done while honoring the reasonable laws against open containers and drinking while driving?
If you can’t show this party was necessary in order to do Yah’s will, that you could not have achieved Yah’s will without the drinking party, then I would also say you are mad as a box of frogs.
Hence driving around after having chugged loads of wine with a special “get out of jail free” card. Praise be!