You've shafted my daughter one time too many!

Let’s take this point by point, shall we, MissBungle?

You may feel you have people riding your hide for every post you make, but when you make supercilious, unsympathetic posts concerning someone not liking continued poor treatment (and yes, it has been continued, this was merely the last and worst instance), you should expect angry responses. Especially when it is a parent making the complain on behalf of his/her child.

Well, no, the content was not untruthful. Nor was the content of Exgineer’s first post, in which he more or less said the same thing. However, unlike Exgineer, your attitude struck me as flippant and uncaring. Tactless. The seizing of an opportunity to kick someone when they’re down. Again, on behalf of my daughter, I resent that. And if you call a simple one-sentence brush-off “flipping out”, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

Considering your response to my post, I hope you never reproduce. How dare you take one instance, in which I justifiably reacted to an unfeeling c’est la vie attitude toward a devastated teenager’s ego; a teenager who was justifiably upset at an adult’s shabby treatment and assume I’m an unfit father. There are plenty of members of this board who actually know me and my family, and who will let you know the quality of my parenting. When my daughter hurts, I hurt, and I rise to defend her.

Thank you, Dr. Friggin’ Spock. My daughter has already risen above the teacher’s slight (your slight she just shrugged off as the inarticulate grunt of a swamp creature). Perhaps she will become more assertive as a result. I only pray she won’t use it as an excuse to become an unfeeling bitch, as you seem to have done with your own “life lessons.” I have also mentioned at least twice in this thread (although not the OP) that she has never entertained notions about a career in the performing arts. I will always continue to encourage her interests wherever they lie, including singing and acting, because she likes them, and she is good at them.

There is no loss here because my daughter embodies more class in her little finger than people such as you have throughout their entire bodies and souls in an aggregate lifetime. She performed whatever was given her to perform on Friday and Saturday nights, and even praised everyone in the company as being one of the best she’s ever worked with. She said this to their faces after the show, as seniors are always given an opportunity to give a little speech at the cast party, and I know she meant it. She has risen to the top in this and other similar circumstances like the cream she is and always will be.

As an addendum to my earlier response to you:

MissBungle, you are cordially invited to bite me and die, bitch.

You’re not going to last much longer around here if you continue these provocative trolling techniques, then act all innocent and “who? me?” about it later on.

Show some class, you gutless wonder.

I was very involved in Drama in high school, I was head of the Drama club for two years as a matter of fact. I love acting, but I never really got great parts, and one year I didn’t get a part at all (considering that maybe only 2 people who auditioned didn’t get parts, it was unusual).

Turhtfully, it never really occurred to me to blame, or even to wish to act. I, of course, did want to, but it wasn’t so important. I did lights and sound, program design, stage managed, ran the club, started an improv team, ran rehearsals etc.

And I got a lot out of it.

BUT. I agree that in high school, committment, involvement and dedication should count for more than acting ability.

Why do you talk like being banned is so horrible?
If posts like yours are appreciated/encouraged/the norm here, than I would rather not post here anyways.

I have wished you no harm… yet you respond to me like that.

Yowsas. “die, bitch”… and you say you’re a parent, huh? Scary.

I don’t know what made me decide to open this thread for the first time today. If I had known it was about theatre (and not about a boy, like I initially assumed) I would have been in here to offer what I could.

Most of what I feel has been said. Yes, it was a shitty situation. Yes, Sakura is top dog for the decisions she made. Yes, the other actress is a prima donna bitch. Yes, the director was in the wrong. Yes, there may or may not have been a question of talent. And most importantly, yes, Karma is going to react accordingly.

Many people have expressed their similar experiences, so hopefully one more won’t be too much.
I was very much like Sakura in highschool. I never got shafted just that way, but still similar. If I had been put in her position, I most likely would have done the exact same thing. I am no prima donna and care not to go up against one.
In highschool I was in the choir for 4 years, one little 4 bar solo. In the band 4 years (just to show my contribution to the music/drama departments which were very close), even going so far as to be Music Council President my grade 12 year. Auditioned for every musical production my highschool put on. The roles I got? Chorus, Small Speaking Role, Major Non-Singing Role. Last one was a different director than the first two.
So then on to university to study drama, because I simply loved it. No big parts. Lots of small ones, but much much much more recognized for my behind the scenes work.
Now? Now I direct and produce for local community theatre (with some stage managing thrown in on the side).

Sakura, you will find your niche. If you love it, continue with theatre. And remember, it’s not comedy and tragedy…it’s insanity and agony, because we have to be insane to revisit the agony again and again.

I came in to this thread, said what I had to say (badly), and subsequently left it alone because I really had nothing constructive to contribute.

I check it again today to find out how things went and find I’m on the same side of the fence as MissBungle.

That’s depressing.

Oh, please. You tell him he is a bad parent and then wonder why he gets upset at you?

Posts “like his” are not the norm around here for most people, only people who like to post hurtful and unnecessary things and then gasp when people point out that they are being a bitch.

If you would rather not post here, by all means, please don’t. If you do, don’t play the martyr. We’ve all seen this kind of drama before.

MissBungle, in case you’ve missed it in this thread, or in any of the other threads to which I’ve posted, I don’t usually use language or an attitude such as I have with you.

I advise you to look for a correlation between your attitude and my reciprocating attitude.

And my comment about not lasting long didn’t necessarily refer to a banning. It’s not my job to make such decisions. I merely referred to the rapidity with which you will attain persona non gratis status.

back on topic:

My son was in our local commuity children’s/teen theater group and was seen as a valuable member of the team. He had a number of small and middle-sized parts over the years, including a significant supporting role in his senior year.

At the same time, he was pretty much ignored by the local high school drama department, and ended up playing the “Second spearcarrier” with never a line to be had. General opinion in town was that the high school drama department was mostly there to serve the ego of the teacher, who viewed herself as a low-budget Bob Fosse/Stephen Sondheim. The same tone deaf child was the lead four years in a row, demonstrating a breadth of inability that was frankly staggering.

Your daughter needs to take a couple of lessons away from this one:[ul]
[li]High school theater basically sucks; like most high-school activities, it is mostly a popularity contest. Do meaningful theater somewhere else.[/li][li]life is not fair.[/li][li]it’s not what happens that matters; it’s how you deal with it.[/li][li]To quote a character from the stage production of One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, “Fuck 'em all”.[/li][/ul]

I’ve been following this thread over Dave’s shoulder ever since it started and now I’ve got a few things to say.

First of all: Thank you to everyone for their support, virtual hugs, etc. It’s overwhelming and just an example of why I belong to the board and theatre (I’ve been getting the same from the rest of the cast all week). If only there was a love smiley. Oh well.

Second of all: If you don’t support me and think I should chalk it up to one of life’s lessons . . . I have. I know I need a little more backbone and this was an unfortunately hard way of having this reinforced.

Third of all: Miss Bungle, I am a seventeen (almost eighteen) year-old, very mature young woman. I in no way resemble one of Earth’s lower primates as you suggest

and throughly resent that. I am of above average intelligence and can conduct myself without thowing poo (although believe me, I am extremely tempted to do so right now). I believe that I am entirely capable of making my own decisions and actions without any outside influences if I so choose. And as we are speaking of high school, I have seen your type of behavior among the underclassmen time and again and simply roll my eyes at it. I hope that you soon drop the innocent act and either state your opinion without being a jerk or don’t state it at all.

As for the rest of the “drama in the drama” (as we call it), the girl who caused all this and I are cool. (Although I thank Rilchiam for donning her ass-kicking boots on my behalf.) The director isn’t making things any easier by being extremely nice to me. Oh well, a little ass-licking never hurt anyone, right?

I’m working on Damn Yankees now. And I actually have a part, albeit a minor one. But she actually has a name and lines and is in several scenes. I’ve always liked being comic relief. That’ll be the end of my high school theatre career and if I’m not going out with a bang, at least I made a little noise.

Is it just me, or are other people hearing the song “Nothing” from A Chorus Line?

:wink:

**MissBungle, ** I know Dave and his lovely family personally.

This is probably the worst insult you could sling at him. I’m not surprised he went off on you the way he did. And IMHO, he was righteous in doing so.

But I’m a little puzzled as to why you’d be frightened that Dave is raising a child who has such class, grace, and style. Perhaps you’re nervous that someday, the world will be full of delightful people such as **Sakura, ** and you’ll be left all alone, ignored and completely uncared for, because you’re such an ignorant twat?

Sakura, you’re quite welcome! (Funny thing is, I forgot to mention that after I quit the paper, I found solace in the theater department. I worked backstage, and my organizational skills were much appreciated. So there.)

MissBungle: Watch…your…step. And that’s coming from someone who was on your side, until today.

jr8: Good one!

I never should have posted to this thread in the first place.

Sakura, I read your post, and it seemed to come in a strong, slightly husky, yet femine voice. You can even act over the internet.

Theater has one colossal advantage over athletics. It’s really hard to completely blow out your knees playing the lead in MacBeth. You’ll notice that I didn’t actually say the name of the play, I just typed it. I won’t tell you about the time I got whacked in the head with a prop sword.

You express yourself very well, and I hope that you will continue to perform whenever you can. I didn’t mean to imply any negative criticizm in anything I wrote here.

Please don’t crucify me fo my poor spelling. I’m an engineer, and that’s the best I can do.

This is almost identical to my high school experience, but instead of theatre, it was art. And others here have related similar experiences in other creative areas. At school, you’re a creative leper—invisible. Outside of school (community theatre, summer camp, whatever), hey! You’re pretty good! Fancy that! And it looks like Sakura already has experienced that—hasn’t she been in some theatre camp or something, where she is not treated like she’s invisible? Fancy that! :wink:

With a few exceptions, most of my art teaches treated me like I was invisible. I could do good work and still get mediocre grades. There were times I felt I couldn’t win. But at least I had my consolation—to the outside world, I was not invisible. Thank God for that.

I saw two different worlds for my art—the one in high school, and the one out. On the “outside”, I started selling my artwork at about age 16 or 17. It was a semi-steady income for me. I even had a few jobs for actors (a secretary of Jaclyn Smith hired me to do a portrait, and through a convoluted series of events, an actor that was very “hot” at the time wrote me asking me to do a portrait!) But that mattered not in high school. I was an artistic leper in high school.

I remember one very popular girl winning a small art scholarship that I’d wanted. She made a big point of “sorting” her “portfolio” in front of me and another arty girl (who was also a leper) in the attempt to “rub it in” that she’d won this coveted scholarship, and we hadn’t. But the thing was, she sucked. Oh my word, she was bad. So, I thought it was so funny that she was putting all this effort in to “rub it in”, because she was kind of pathetic.

But I ramble… The point is, high school does NOT reflect real life. Real Life can suck sometimes, but not for the same arbitrary, nonsensical reasons that high school sucks.

Go Sakura-you have something Miss Bungle will never have in a million years-maturity and grace.

Hey Sakura - chin up my friend!

Just remember my post on page one about Karma in Action - look at all the people dishing out grief to Miss Bungle. The people who messed you around on the High School drama aspect will gets theirs too - fear not.

What goes around comes around… 100% of the time - without fail. You’re a top shelf young person it appears! I’ve enjoyed reading this thread immensely.

Best of luck to you and I hope you can continue to fight the “good fight” in future.

errrr… Velma, where did I say he was a bad parent?
I didn’t. You might want to use your fingers to help you follow along in the future.

I said it scares me that he is a parentl. ANd if I am so evil as you all claim, why would my opinion matter to you anyways.

Sakura, I never called his daughter a monkey. It’s an expression. I thought most everyone here would apply it to how I intended it to be used, but I was wrong.

fighting ignorance here… or just fighting, people?
your call.

Sakura IS his daughter.

Umm… I’d stick to either “boot-licking” or “ass-kissing” for this one, the visual is just a bit on the disturbing side. :smiley:

Insinuation. Look it up. You needn’t state something in so many words in order for your message to come through loud and clear.

Two things. Again, be careful how you use words. Just because communication is occurring doesn’t mean it’s effective communication. An insult is an insult is an insult. Also, did you even bother reading anything other than the OP and any follow-up posts besides the ones that mention or reference you? Do you jump into threads, pee on the carpet, then do periodic vanity searches to see if anyone’s noticed you yet? I can’t help but see how you missed several facts that most others following this thread have picked up on. Yes, Sakura is my daughter, a fact I’ve presented numerous times in the OP and throughout. Missed that one, didn’t ya? Also, I mentioned in a couple of subsequent posts that she’s not majoring in theater in college or considering it as a career. This point was picked up by most of the people posting to this thread, but not you, since as recently as yesterday or the day before, you counselled me to encourage her to drop her dreams of headlining on the Great White Way.

There wouldn’t be any fighting if you hadn’t come in here with a crappy attitude and expected us to treat you with respect. I once again refer to Exgineer’s first and second posts in this thread. He said pretty much the same thing you did, but he did it in a way that was not offensive. Can you see that? Are you aware of the difference? Not between what he and you said, in the difference in how is was said.

For the record, you were right in saying that this experience is something we can learn from. All life’s experiences, especially the disappointing ones, should be treated as such.

Saying so with a caring attitude will get you hearts and flowers and appreciation. Saying so with a flippant “get-over-yourself-there-are-kids-with-cancer” attitude will get you a new asshole ripped.

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