OK Dopers, let’s see how up on the rules of the game you are.
Under what conditions is a team allowed to (and in fact required to) skip a players turn at bat?
Zev Steinhardt
OK Dopers, let’s see how up on the rules of the game you are.
Under what conditions is a team allowed to (and in fact required to) skip a players turn at bat?
Zev Steinhardt
If the player who is supposed to be up is already on base because he batted out of order earlier in the inning and the opposing team didn’t notice.
Wow, that was quick. That question only lasted about three minutes… and at 1:30 in the morning!! Good work Bob!!
Zev Steinhardt
That’s 10:30 PDT however. Rule 6.07 is full of all sorts of weird eventualities.
Exception: Some teams’ batters at always “out of order”!
As this question has been answered so quickly, I’ll pose another.
Bottom of the ninth, winning run on base, less than two outs. Batter lines a base hit into the outfield, winning run scores, game over. Batter does not bother to touch first base (in the manner of Robin Ventura in last year’s NLCS).
How is the batter’s turn at bat credited? You couldn’t credit him with a hit, as he hasn’t made it to first base. But he hasn’t made an out either. The only thing I could think of is to call him out for going out of the baseline. But I’m not sure if that rule takes effect without an umpire’s ruling.
My WAG is that he would be credited with a sacrifice: AFAIK, any play that results in an out for the batter and a run scoring is credited to the batter as a sacrifice. Though sacrifice usually implies intent: the batter intended to get out in order to allow the run to score. Not sure how the sabremetricians will score this one…
If he’s out he certainly gets a sacrifice. The question is how he has made an out.
I was told that for a sacrifice you need a temple and for a temple you need a red heifer.
If the umpire calls the batter out for running out of the baselines, the putout is credited to the fielder closest to the play, which in the case would be the first baseman. The batter would be out 3 unassisted.
It is not a sacrifice because the batter has to have the intent of making an out on the play.
For the record, Robin Ventura did touch first base on his hit in last year’s NLCS. He was stopped between first and second by his teammates and credited with a single.
The situation described in the OP would be very unlikely as baseball players will always run to at least first base on any fair hit ball.
Unless your name is Fred Merkle…, and you have no way of knowing that the game will matter 2 months down the road…
What hasn’t been answered yet is whether or not the fictional Ventura who doesn’t touch first base gets the RBI and ends the game.
In real life, of course, Ventura DID touch first and got credit for a single, driving in the winning run. If he hadn’t, I would assume he’d be out 3 unassisted and no run would score.
Does anyone know of this ever happening, anywhere?
If it’s the third out and if that third out is a force out (whether at first becasue the batter-runner didn’t touch first or whether at a different base) then NO runs score. It is the end of the inning. In order for a run to score, the out must either be a non-force out or all forced runners (including the batter-runner) must advance one base. That was Merkle’s mistake; he didn’t touch 2nd when he was forced to.
Zev Steinhardt
The Merkle incident also happened only a couple of weeks before the end of the regular season, not two months ahead of time.
Further checking the official scoring rules of baseball,
1: You have to bunt to get credit for a sacrifice (a sacrifice fly being a completely different animal)
2: It is possible, if not probable, that the fielders would have thrown the ball to first to record the out on the happy, yet stupid batter. It could very well end up being something like a 9-3 or 8-3 groundout or whoever was around to pick up the ball.