Zogby Poll: Not a debate

I received an email today from Zogby and thought I’d share some of the poll findings here. There really isn’t a debate in this that I can think of right now, so I suppose this is more along the line of ‘witnessing’ (so please no ‘whats the debate here’ :)). I just wanted to share the info for anyone not a member of Zogby’s polling club (I get a questionare about once a month usually), and see what folks thoughts are.

First, here is a link that you can look more indepth at the info (I actually haven’t done this as its not functioning properly at my office right now). I think you have to register though so…
Here is the email:

Just thought it was intersting and wasn’t sure if this poll was yet up where everyone was seeing it. Thoughts?

-XT

Right off the top of my head?

This:

and this:

absolutely blow me away. How on earth did everyone get so misinformed?

Oh, wait…

Sometimes a post is so well written it can’t be improved on. What Maureen said.

I refuse to believe that 90% of our troops in Iraq are total morons,

No, they’re just fed misinformation from the one-two punch of Rumsfeld’s Pentagon and Fox News…

Well, leaving aside the ‘morons’ bit, I don’t see where belief comes into it. Are you saying you don’t believe in Zogby’s methodology reguarding how they poll??

Hm…I thought you guys would be more interested in this data. To me its quite revealing.

-XT

Why don’t you kick off the discussion with what you find particularly revealing, and why.

I don’t know what to think about it. I think Zogby is pretty reliable but I find it stunning that 90% of the troops in Iraq would believe that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11. rjung might be right that they’re just massively disinformed but I thought a lot of them had access to the internet and other news sources these days. Surely someone has told them by now that Hussein had no connection to either 9/11 or al Qaeda.

I don’t believe the 90% either. And **rjung **is just blowing smoke, as usual.

The key is to see the exact question asked, but I’m not up for shelling out $$ for an “executive summary” (per the website) that might not even have that info.

Note that this poll was done in conjuction with Le Moyne College’s Center for Peace and Global Studies, which (and I’m just guessing) might have its own, non-objective agenda. I don’t know anything about Le Moyne other than it’s a Jesuit college in uspstate NY.

Zogby is a respected pollster. I don’t know what’s going on but I doubt it’s a fraudulent poll.

I doubt it’s “fraudulant” either. But you have to actually see the question they asked. I don’t take any poll at face value, even from a respected pollster like Zogby.

I think that when the dust settles and the truth is known, the country is going to have some very, very justifiably angry veterans in our midst.

At the moment I think that the poll reflects a lot of confusion about what the reality is. I can’t imagine what conversations among the troops must be like there. How can they possibly keep their morale up?

Apparently, according to the documentary “Gunner Palace,” every other soldier raps.

You are looking at it back to front. The troops are correct. No doubt, most of the troops polled know Saddam had no role however trivial in 9/11 and that Saddam has never protected al Qaeda in Iraq.

That doesn’t stop those being the* reasons for the US invading Iraq. Bad reasons sure, but it is the reasoning that is poor, not the troops understanding of them.

  • some of them.

How do you know that?

Perhaps many of the soldiers understood the question to mean “What do you think is the primary reason *that the President gave * for this war?”

Did I miss it, or does the poll reveal any breakdown for respondents along officer/enlisted lines? I would expect a definite bump of favorable responses amongst the officers. If they are all lumped together, then I suspect that a poll focusing on either seperately would be even more revealing, not to say damning.

Color me surprised. I would have expected a much larger quotient of soldiers willing to cast their services in the best possible light, which is to be expected, no one wants to think that he has engaged in a futile and bloody debacle. Bad enough to be in the relentless stress of combat situtation, worse still if one thinks the effort empty and meaningless.

I don’t know about the rest of you, but here in Scandanavia West we have been lately subjected to a very slick and cunning political ad that touts and pimps the Iraq War in some truly professional and utterly dishonest ways. One recurring theme is the utter devotion of Our Heroes to the war, and The Leader.

To quote Sportin’ Life, It Ain’t Necessarily So.

That’s what I am guessing.

Still doesn’t make sense. I can’t imagine any random sample of Americans taken anywhere in the country that would produce that result.

Maybe it was a question like this:

*What were the reasons for the Iraq war (check all that apply):

  • WMDs
  • Sheltering terrorists
  • Retaliation for 9/11
  • yada, yada, yada

Which I think explains the high percentage of soldiers that give “payback for 9/11” as the reason to why they’re in Iraq. If it were true that Saddam was responsible for those terrorist attacks, it would be a simple, morally clear reason for the Iraq war. The rest of the reasons given, even those by supporters of the war, are rather more fraught with moral compexities. Getting back the guys that attacked us is a simple explanation that easily justifies the Iraq war without a lot of need for further questions.

Of course its one that seems obviously fraudalent to us, but I think for people that don’t really have a choice as to whether to fight in Iraq or not, its easiest to put aside moral dilemmas by beliving in the simpilest answer to “why we fight” offered.

Also explains why so many soldiers in the poll think its time to leave, after all if the reason to go to war in Iraq was to remove Saddam, we won that fight years ago.