Grimm Season 2

[N9IWP]

There is a long thread on season 1
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=629529

While this show (IMHO) doesn't have the following to justify one thread per episode, there is enough for one thread per season.

Season two starts tonight (August 13, 9 PM Central), at least in the US

Brian

[twickster]

Well, that was fun. A lot more funny lines than usual -- or have I just forgotten that side of the show?

[Snooooopy]

Honestly, I thought the new title sequence was just OK, but I definitely like what it says about the network's opinion of the show. It's not going to bother doing anything unless it's thinking that the show has some real legs.

It sure appeared as though Rosalee and Monroe were getting passionate in the preview for next week. I was a little surprised, because it seems a little early to play that card. However, the episode is entitled "The Kiss," so I am thinking that perhaps some kind of supernatural love potion will turn out to be responsible.

[zoid]

My oldest daughter and I have been following it faithfully. She was at a sleepover tonight. We thought the new season started tomorrow, I caught it by accident. When she called to check in I took perverse pleasure in our conversation...

Her: Just checking in
Me: OK, what time will you be home tomorrow?
H: Around noon
M: Cool
H: What are you doing?
M: Watching Grimm
H: What?! Wait...I thought...It's TONIGHT?!





ANYWAY...

spoiler alert

SPOILER:

for some reason I don't trust the mother - it just doesn't feel right.

[ThreadPirateRoberts]

zoid, I agree with you on that point and so does everyone in my family

[Seanette]

I'd be inclined to chime in on that one, zoid.

I'm questioning what might well be a major plot hole. At the start of season 1, Marie told Nick that a Grimm only gains his/her abilities and becomes an active Grimm when the preceding one in that bloodline dies, and that there's only one active in a bloodline at a time. If Mom (can't recall her name) is to be believed, which could be dubious, there was a time at which three in the immediate family (Mom, Marie, and their father) were all active at once and working as a team.

On a more trivial note, I don't think I'd ever before noticed that Renard is wearing what appears to be a wedding ring. In the one episode last season where we saw him in his home, he appeared to be living alone. Do we know anything about his personal life?

[twickster]

Any Francophones following the show? How good is Reynard's French accent? Does he seem to actually speak French, or is he learning that dialogue phonetically? He sounds okay to me, but I don't know enough to tell.

[Sally Mander]

I had no idea it was starting so soon! I got a Hulu update about it, and deleted it, thinking it was a show from last season, then I saw this thread, retrieved it from the trash can, and saw it said Season 2. I'll watch it this afternoon!

[detop]

Originally Posted by twickster

Any Francophones following the show? How good is Reynard's French accent? Does he seem to actually speak French, or is he learning that dialogue phonetically? He sounds okay to me, but I don't know enough to tell.

His French is good but it is clearly not his maternal tongue.

[RealityChuck]

There are several reasons why the mother seems legit:

1. Nick recognized her; she did not identify herself to him. Yes, it's been awhile, but if Nick had any photos of his mother, he would know what she looked like.
2. She knew things like the location of the hidden drawer. It would be unlikely in the extreme for anyone other than a family member to know it.
3. Monroe scented another Grimm before he saw the mother, so she's clearly a Grimm. Nick and Monroe would have known if she were anything else, too.
4. She saw the coins. If she were out to get them, she would have taken them (and would have fought Nick for them).

Now, it's quite possible (and even likely) that Mom has an agenda she's not telling Nick, and is not being straight with what she wants to do, but clearly she is his mother and a Grimm, even if she ends up betraying him. (She did say that Grimms worked for the bad guys at first.)

I suspect she'll save Nick at the beginning of next week's episode.

[Seanette]

Originally Posted by twickster

Any Francophones following the show? How good is Reynard's French accent? Does he seem to actually speak French, or is he learning that dialogue phonetically? He sounds okay to me, but I don't know enough to tell.

According to Wikipedia (other sources such as IMDB agree), his actor, Sasha Roiz, was born in Israel (Russian Jewish ancestry), and his family moved to Toronto when he was 7. IMDB adds that he speaks at least three languages (English, French, and Russian are listed).

[Barking Dog]

Thank you 'zoid! I thought I might be the only one.

SPOILER:

Dollars to donuts after they have a mother son moment killing the saber toothed dude, she disappears for the rest of the season cuz she was only after the coins all along.

[twickster]

Originally Posted by Seanette

According to Wikipedia (other sources such as IMDB agree), his actor, Sasha Roiz, was born in Israel (Russian Jewish ancestry), and his family moved to Toronto when he was 7. IMDB adds that he speaks at least three languages (English, French, and Russian are listed).

Thanks -- he does have that "foreign" vibe that makes him a good fit for the character.

re: Nick's mom:

SPOILER:

I don't think it will be so simple as a quick disappearance, but agree with everyone who thinks her motivations are way more complex than we know yet.

[Erdosain]

I hated the new title sequence--seemed cheesy and a little too desperate to explain the premise. Plus it highlights Grimm's shark jump moment for me: Hitler being a wessen. Not enough eye-rolls in the world. Anyway, I don't think a new title sequence is a sign of network confidence. Probably the opposite; I'd be surprised if Grimm finishes this season.

Not nearly enough Monroe this episode.

Also, the coins can only be destroyed in Mt. Doom? There are seven keys given to the seven royal families that lead to a super magical item? I'm not really liking this direction the show is taking. I get that they're trying to set up a season-long arc so they can get back to the Monster of the Week, but it seems really weak.

[Invisible Chimp]

Originally Posted by RealityChuck

3. Monroe scented another Grimm before he saw the mother, so she's clearly a Grimm. Nick and Monroe would have known if she were anything else, too.

Kimura also noted there were two Grimms.

Originally Posted by Erdosain

I hated the new title sequence--seemed cheesy and a little too desperate to explain the premise. Plus it highlights Grimm's shark jump moment for me: Hitler being a wessen. Not enough eye-rolls in the world. Anyway, I don't think a new title sequence is a sign of network confidence. Probably the opposite; I'd be surprised if Grimm finishes this season.

I don't mind the new opening, but I hated the voiceover. I heard it got better than usual ratings this episode, so I think it will last the season.

Not nearly enough Monroe this episode.

Also, the coins can only be destroyed in Mt. Doom? There are seven keys given to the seven royal families that lead to a super magical item? I'm not really liking this direction the show is taking. I get that they're trying to set up a season-long arc so they can get back to the Monster of the Week, but it seems really weak.

The first episode this season was very arc based, so it might have been hard for new viewers to follow. I rolled my eyes too that the coins can only be destroyed at the site of their forging.

[pricciar]

Did Monroe and the girl notice two Grimms, or were they only saying they smelled someone else there, and the woman said "And, whatever it is it is female!" I didn't think they knew right away it was a Grimm. But, yeah, the bad guy did know and let our Grimm's boss know.

Yeah, it's for sure Burkhardt's Mom, but I sure wasn't happy about him trusting her so quickly. When he took her to his secret hideout I was like "Come on, man!"

I thought they gave short shrift to the fact that he is friend with wessen. "Do you know that's a bluvolt!" (I forget what they are called) "Yes. He is my friend." And, that's it. No argument or anything. I thought there would be some discussion and he would talk about how they can be good, too. I would have enjoyed that, because one of the aspects of the show that I enjoy is the friendship with Monroe and hearing it justified aloud would have been nice.

I fast forwarded through the new opening, so I apparently missed the fact that they had the Hitler scene in there. That's too bad, because that was my absolute least favorite part of last season. By far. Unnecessary crap. Apparently, I am so outside the loop that they think it will sell the show. Oh well.

Great first episode. Lots of nice twists. It seems obvious that the Mom is going to save him. It would be interesting if that is solved a little bit differently. Nice start to the season. Although, I don't know if I like the fact that they are showing it on Mondays if they just plan to shuffle it off to Fridays. Isn't it hard for a show to build up an audience when it is moved around a lot?

[Helena]

Originally Posted by pricciar

I thought they gave short shrift to the fact that he is friend with wessen. "Do you know that's a bluvolt!" (I forget what they are called) "Yes. He is my friend." And, that's it. No argument or anything. I thought there would be some discussion and he would talk about how they can be good, too. I would have enjoyed that, because one of the aspects of the show that I enjoy is the friendship with Monroe and hearing it justified aloud would have been nice.

I was looking forward to that too. Maybe we'll get some next week.

[twickster]

If anyone missed the show Monday (and watches old-fashioned broadcast TV), it's rerunning in the usual time slot this evening.

[N9IWP]

Ya, I recorded it Monday for watching it tonight (Friday is my usual make popcorn and watch a movie / TV episode night). When i was done I flipped through the channels, and here the episode is being rerun.

At least I skipped the commercials...

Brian

[TBG]

Originally Posted by Seanette

I'd be inclined to chime in on that one, zoid.

I'm questioning what might well be a major plot hole. At the start of season 1, Marie told Nick that a Grimm only gains his/her abilities and becomes an active Grimm when the preceding one in that bloodline dies, and that there's only one active in a bloodline at a time. If Mom (can't recall her name) is to be believed, which could be dubious, there was a time at which three in the immediate family (Mom, Marie, and their father) were all active at once and working as a team.

I don't recall Aunt Marie ever saying that, but if she did she was clearly wrong and/or lying, since Nick started to get his abilities quite a while before she croaked.




The new opening was dumb, clearly meant for n00bs tho, so I can forgive it.

[zoid]

I knd of miss the fairytale quality it had in the first season, it seems to be turning darker. I have no problem with dark but I liked the light-hearted aspect as well.

[Helena]

The only dialog in the pilot that has anything to do with the ability getting passed on when somebody dies is:

"What, someone in your family just die?"
"My aunt's in a coma."
"Ah, that explains it."

Then there's that bit in "Three Coins in a Fuchsbau" where Nick tells Farley Kolt that Marie was his aunt, and he says, "Then she's dead, isn't she?"

It's all a bit vague, but it does seem like they meant us to believe that it gets passed on when a family member dies. Either they changed their minds or there's some big convoluted conspiracy where the Grimms want the Wesen to think that it happens that way when it really doesn't. *shrug*

I've seen a couple of interviews with David Greenwalt and Jim Kouf where they say that they wanted to bring Mom back from the very beginning. Maybe they just hadn't thought through all the implications?

[simster]

Originally Posted by Helena

The only dialog in the pilot that has anything to do with the ability getting passed on when somebody dies is:

"What, someone in your family just die?"
"My aunt's in a coma."
"Ah, that explains it."

Then there's that bit in "Three Coins in a Fuchsbau" where Nick tells Farley Kolt that Marie was his aunt, and he says, "Then she's dead, isn't she?"

It's all a bit vague, but it does seem like they meant us to believe that it gets passed on when a family member dies. Either they changed their minds or there's some big convoluted conspiracy where the Grimms want the Wesen to think that it happens that way when it really doesn't. *shrug*

I've seen a couple of interviews with David Greenwalt and Jim Kouf where they say that they wanted to bring Mom back from the very beginning. Maybe they just hadn't thought through all the implications?

Or they are still fleshing it out - Mom's quote was something to the affect of "we don't quite know how it works or what triggers it, but it does seem to be hereditary" and the aunt's understanding of it is 'different' than mom's.

Doesn't need to be more complicated or "plot holey" - simple works.

[Helena]

Aunt didn't say anything about it. The comments were all from Wesen.

[Erdosain]

Originally Posted by Helena

Aunt didn't say anything about it. The comments were all from Wesen.

And you know who else was a Wesen?

[twickster]

Originally Posted by Erdosain

And you know who else was a Wesen?

Well played.

[Shoeless]

Episode 2 (8/20/2012) - what did y'all think?

Mom's definitely up to something.

Juliette waking up and not recognizing Nick - no surprise there.

Renard - WTF is he? Half human half... what? Sort of looked like a male hexenbiest when he was looking at himself in the mirror.

Nick seems to be having more and more trouble keeping his police work separate from his Grimm work. It looks like Hank is getting closer to being let in on Nick's little secret.

[Rollo Tomasi]

Two thoughts:

1. Ugh, amnesia. Boo.

2. More than ever, I wish Renard were the main character in this show.

[twickster]

Well, yeah, amnesia, boo -- but it was inevitable. Let's hope they do something interesting with it.

Renard can't be a hexenbiest, or Nick would know. Clearly not entirely human, though.

[faithfool]

I'm not much into muscle-y, clean cut guys, but damn, is Reynard hot! Just thought I'd throw in that very important information. That is all.

[twickster]

Interview with the guy who plays Renard -- includes spoilers, so don't click on the link if you haven't seen the episode yet.

SPOILER:

Looks what I was wrong about him not having any Hexenbiest in him.

[Johnny Q]

Shouldn't Mom have taken the coins to Mordor before going after the Prince?

[Johnny Q]

And do you think the Dragon Lady will end up making a play(not necessarily a successful one) for Nick now that his girlfriend's got amnesia?

[Snooooopy]

I am really hoping that the potion dropped into Juliette's eyes will magically make her worth caring about. I mean, it's not as though I loathe her. She doesn't ruin the show for me. It's just that, when it comes time for the show to bump off a major character to illustrate how serious the situation is, she'd be a great pick.

[TBG]

Weird that the captain's never been spotted by Nick before. Maybe it's something special about royals that they can hide from grimms?

[Seanette]

So far as I can tell, Nick only sees Wesen as such when they somehow lose control of their appearance (most commonly due to strong emotion such as fear or anger). Renard is VERY controlled (except when drinking dubious Hexenbiest concoctions), and knows Nick's a Grimm, so no doubt is very good at keeping his appearance human.

[Ibn Warraq]

It hunk Renard and Monroe are the two best characters by far.

I'm also glad they're getting work because I loved Sash Roiz(Renard) as Willy Adama's uncle in Caprica and Silas Weir was fantastic in Prison Break.

[Helena]

Originally Posted by TBG

Weird that the captain's never been spotted by Nick before. Maybe it's something special about royals that they can hide from grimms?

Since Renard is half-Wesen, maybe his human half gives him more control. Or maybe it actually takes some effort for him to change. It was hard to tell from what we saw.

[N9IWP]

Does the mom plan to use the coins herself? Destoying them are not obviously her highest priority. I agree with others who say that Nick gave them up too quickly.

Thgere are probably other casings from Nick's guns (from previous cases), but I'll let that slide. I'm wondering if staying closer to the truth would have been better (I was called there, the agents were dead, I killed the bad guy). Of course tha wouldn't explain the knife wound.

The hug was unexpected / weird.

Brian

[Seanette]

Originally Posted by N9IWP

The hug was unexpected / weird.

If you're talking about Rosalee hugging Nick's mother, that was a surprise. The look on Monroe's face was hilarious, though.

[twickster]

If Hank's not a Grimm, how can he see Hexenbiests when they transform?

[Seanette]

I seem to recall someone (think maybe Monroe) saying at some point that a Wesen CAN show his/her creature form to an ordinary (non-Grimm, non-Wesen) human, but it generally has a very bad effect on the Muggle's mental health.

[zoid]

I kind of got the impression that everyone can see it when they go full-on transformation but only a Grimm can see the little slips. Isn't that how they were going to break it to Julia?

[Seanette]

True. Nick took Juliette over to Monroe's, and asked him to transform in front of her (which Monroe was very worried about doing, because of the effect on her).

[twickster]

Originally Posted by zoid

I kind of got the impression that everyone can see it when they go full-on transformation but only a Grimm can see the little slips. Isn't that how they were going to break it to Julia?

Oh, right. And he announced he was going to transform right before he did.

Can't wait to see the conversation between Nick and Hank next week.

So is Juliet going to get her memory back as to who Nick is?

[twickster]

Interview with Russell Hornsby, who plays Hank.

[TBG]

I forget, did she actually see Monroe transform, or did she collapse before that could happen? I'm just wondering if she remembers that, too. If she does, I think that just leaves Wu as the only one left in the cast who doesn't know about this stuff.

[Helena]

She collapsed before Monroe turned around. (I wonder if she remembers going to his house!)

[all1966]

What? No comments on Monday night's ep, the first on AFTER Hank has learned about Wesen? And the ep where Monroe and Rosalee dial things up a notch? Where IS everybody?? I liked this ep - Monroe, as always, was priceless! I think Hank is handling his new view of the world admirably...and I think it is going to add to his working relationship with Nick. Juliette's scene with the beaver repairman? Points to the beav for a quick recovery!

[Seanette]

Haven't watched the episode yet, hope to at some point today.