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Old 02-13-2013, 11:31 AM
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Southland, season five starts tonight


This is a truly excellent cop procedural on TNT. If you haven't been clued up on this one, the last half of season four is available on-demand. We got seasons 1-3 at the local library.
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One of my favorite shows that I have called "Shield-Lite" in the past.

I think I just read somewhere the other day that Southland is the series with the most "on the street" location scenes, and not filmed on the studio lot for any TV show now. This certainly does give the show that edgy, real-life feel.

For those who have never seen this show, please check it out - it zooms right along and I don't think you will be bored one iota!
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I guess not a lot of people watching this show - too bad.

The most recent episode was quite the shocker - and for a series that never ceases to shock and awe, this was a real heart-stopper!
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Old 04-15-2013, 02:30 PM
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Yeah, I don't get it. It's better than The Americans, far better than The Killing, far better than any police procedural on the major networks. It must have a good cult following to have gone five seasons so far. I expect that TNT will pick it up again for next year. It had Lucy Liu as a season-long guest star, and this season it was Anthony Ruivivar (from the old Third Watch program) doing an excellent job as Sergeant Lucero. It will be a sad day when it wraps.
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I like it a lot. It's nowhere close to The Shield but definitely holds my interest. I grew up in LA so it's fun to see lots of places that I recognize.
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I like it a lot. It's nowhere close to The Shield but definitely holds my interest. I grew up in LA so it's fun to see lots of places that I recognize.
I must be the only person alive who didn't like The Shield. Probably because I tried to watch it after seeing The Wire. Pretty much everything cop pales by comparison.
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Oh, I was hoping more people watch this excellent show. The season fanale is a two parter. I couldn't believe last weeks. It was gruesome to watch!
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It's a great show. Last week's episode was pretty shocking. And Ben's descent from idealistic, heroic trainee to asshole cop has been interesting to watch.
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Glad this show is back. That last episode made me yell out "HOLY F*CK!"
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The Hollywood Reporter often rates the particular episodes of TV show by the week...and here is this week's wrap up.

He ranks Southland as number one for the week, with these comments:

"...I swear, if this thing goes off the air, Shawn Ryan better do some kind of Shield spin-off and quick. Who else out there is ready to launch a first class cop show? People, we need fewer detectives and more uniforms. We need boots on the ground. Stories from tough cities. In Southland, we got procedural mistakes made in the defense of an unlikable partner, bad decisions made from another partner that went sideways, and enough intrigue, tension and craziness to fill two hours at least. Standout performances all around. One of the best hours of TV all season."
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The Hollywood Reporter often rates the particular episodes of TV show by the week...and here is this week's wrap up.

He ranks Southland as number one for the week, with these comments:

"...I swear, if this thing goes off the air, Shawn Ryan better do some kind of Shield spin-off and quick. Who else out there is ready to launch a first class cop show? People, we need fewer detectives and more uniforms. We need boots on the ground. Stories from tough cities. In Southland, we got procedural mistakes made in the defense of an unlikable partner, bad decisions made from another partner that went sideways, and enough intrigue, tension and craziness to fill two hours at least. Standout performances all around. One of the best hours of TV all season."
It seems like they allow the actors to do just enough unscripted dialog to keep it realistic. It seems like sometimes the direction is "okay, you guys are going to be very upset by this, so let's hear what you have."
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I'd never seen an episode before this year, and I've probably seen maybe 4 of this season's, including last week's. That was just brutal television (in a good way, not that it was a terrible show). I felt watching Lucero the way I did when Lem was on the run in The Shield. Lucero's screams from *that* scene sounded real. Just gut-wrenching. I don't think I'll get the dvds and catch up, but I'll probably be watching this from now on.
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I'd never seen an episode before this year, and I've probably seen maybe 4 of this season's, including last week's. That was just brutal television (in a good way, not that it was a terrible show). I felt watching Lucero the way I did when Lem was on the run in The Shield. Lucero's screams from *that* scene sounded real. Just gut-wrenching. I don't think I'll get the dvds and catch up, but I'll probably be watching this from now on.
I'd recommend finding back seasons at your library, if possible. There's quite a bit of back story to be had.

Just want to note that Gerald McRaney is doing his usual outstanding acting job on this season's episodes. He should get an Emmy nom for it.
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I thought what happened to Nate (the cop not the baby) was shocking, but dayummmmmm at Lucero.
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Damn. What an ending.
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Wow...didn't see that coming.

At this rate, there won't be any characters left to do another season.

Another amazing episode.
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Cooper might not be dead. Of course, there might not even be another season.
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Cooper might not be dead. Of course, there might not even be another season.
I guess it could go either way. We were trying to figure it out: was he upset enough over the baby plan falling through after all he'd been though to sucide by cop?
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I guess it could go either way. We were trying to figure it out: was he upset enough over the baby plan falling through after all he'd been though to sucide by cop?
The baby plan fell through. He still hasn't processed the thing with Lucero. Lucero's estranged wife made him realize that Lucero was a self-loathing, closeted gay man. His mentor questioned him about giving up the gun. He just snapped and didn't give a shit anymore.
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Old 04-18-2013, 10:13 PM
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Ah, man. They can't get rid of that character without seriously damaging this show.
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The way I saw it, they didn't "give up" their guns. Both were cold cocked and had them taken. You really think Lucero was gay? I thought he was just a bit of a homophobe. That doesn't necessarily equate to being gay.
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You really think Lucero was gay? I thought he was just a bit of a homophobe. That doesn't necessarily equate to being gay.
I didn't think that until the scene with his wife and Cooper when she went to see him after the funeral. He thoughts about why their relationship broke up make me think that he was overcompensating with his constant homophobic jokes.
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I didn't think that until the scene with his wife and Cooper when she went to see him after the funeral. He thoughts about why their relationship broke up make me think that he was overcompensating with his constant homophobic jokes.
Until the wife went there, it had not really dawned on me and I think the same happened to Coop. But after she brought up the subject, it did sort of make sense. He just might have been the proverbial self-loathing, closeted cop. Maybe their night at the Gay Bar was more than what Coop originally thought - which explains the sudden flash of violence at the end of the night. So yeah - in retrospect, it would explain a lot. I think the writers left it for the viewing audience to decide - but even planting this seed of thought into Coop's mind might have also been what sent him over the edge later. Just what he needed - more guilt.
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What happened in the scene in which Cooper and Lucero fought? Did Lucero try to kiss Cooper? It wasn't clear to me.
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Until the wife went there, it had not really dawned on me and I think the same happened to Coop. But after she brought up the subject, it did sort of make sense. He just might have been the proverbial self-loathing, closeted cop. Maybe their night at the Gay Bar was more than what Coop originally thought - which explains the sudden flash of violence at the end of the night. So yeah - in retrospect, it would explain a lot. I think the writers left it for the viewing audience to decide - but even planting this seed of thought into Coop's mind might have also been what sent him over the edge later. Just what he needed - more guilt.
The writers put that scene there to make us speculate. We'll never know for sure.

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What happened in the scene in which Cooper and Lucero fought? Did Lucero try to kiss Cooper? It wasn't clear to me.
They were just horsing around after a fun night until Lucero caught himself and had a freakout.
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Old 04-20-2013, 06:00 PM
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I'm rewatching the episode today. During the mealtime conversation between Cooper and Hicks (Gerald McRaney's character), after Hicks asked Cooper why he and Lucero gave up their guns, he said, "After that fucked-up thing back in the 60s and all the hoopla there was about that, if there was one thing I taught you, it was you don't give up your guns."

What is the fucked-up thing back in the 60s he was referring to?
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I think it was the Onion Field murders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Onion_Field
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Old 04-20-2013, 08:24 PM
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Thanks. I think you're correct.
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Thanks, I was wondering what he meant as well.
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OK, since you revived the thread, one more thing. During the preview for the last episode, I saw a scene in which Sammy had a camera on Ben asking him about setting up the robbery of Sammy's house (in other words, getting evidence against Ben). But I don't think that scene appeared in the episode. Did it?
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Thanks, I was wondering what he meant as well.
If memory serves "the onion field" was mentioned in the last epsiode
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To bump an old thread, I'm just after finishing Season 5 of the series.

Why did Cooper's ex-wife change her mind about the baby? Was it because she'd read/seen something related to the previous episode's case? It wasn't clear to me at all.

In an earlier episode, is there any indication what Cooper says to his dying dad?

Related to the Dewey character, is it remotely plausible that a cop would be back on duty 2 weeks after a heart attack?
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