Well then, be my guest. Be the first guy here to offer a reasonable, defensible argument for Trump. Because I have yet to see it. I have yet to see the argument that justifies voting for the candidate who is obviously a racist, misogynist blowhard with no fucking clue what he’s doing. I have yet to see the argument that gets around Trump’s complete lack of understanding of policy. I have yet to see the argument that justifies voting for him without either inventing insane conspiracies about Clinton or blowing her missteps wildly out of proportion.
So what’s the reasonable argument? And no, “Clinton will continue the system and Trump will blow it up” is not a reasonable argument.
May I suggest you stay out of political discussions? Or is that too nasty? After you come in to a political forum to tell us we’re wrong about your politics but then won’t discuss politics with us?
So, in other words, our opinion that it’s mostly people with no clue what they’re doing voting for Trump is wrong… But you don’t want to explain why you voted for Trump, and you expound quite clearly that you’re “not a politician”.
Your position is that “your side” is not that different than “ours”. But you refuse to explain how you’ve reached this conclusion and you refuse to help well-meaning posters understand how you decided Trump was the better choice.
You don’t want to talk “politics”. But you posted a political thread. You said you took a calculated gamble on Trump. But you won’t explain your math.
This is your opportunity to bridge the chasm that separates half the country from the other half, but all you’re doing is telling us to cross it. The gesture is nice but it’s weak. Whether you’re aware of it or not, it comes across as shallow as the thought procress likely used by many people who voted for Trump.
I’m gonna be super frank again so cover your eyes if you can’t handle the brutality. You just voted for a narcissistic con artist vulgarian who has been batting his eyelashes at the KKK for the last year or so. If you want people like me (a black woman) to see you as really no different, you are going to actually have to show this. I will not assume anything of the sort without good evidence because I can’t fathom a smart, rational person voting for Trump. I want to but I can’t.
Democrats have long been intellectual elitists. They feel that if you were truly intelligent or truly educated that you would be a Dem and for confirmation they point to GW Bush or Trump or Bachmann and ignore their own wackjobs like Maxine Waters. They blast every dumb thing a Pub says yet explain away their own misquotes like Obama and “57 states” or Biden’s plagiarizing of speeches by Neil Kinnock while ridiculing us that our Vice-President spelled the word potatoe (and then ignore the fact that he spelled it right originally and the teacher told him to add an ‘e’) but never mention “rspect”.
And now some of the Dems on the board will probably explain to me that when they do it it’s an honest mistake but when we do it it’s because we’re dumbasses.
I’ve been reading some things lately about how Trump appealed to blue-collar, middle-class, middle-America voters who felt they’d been insulted by the rest of the country. They were called hicks and rubes, they lived in flyover country; they were angry at having been forgotten, until Trump spoke to them.
That may not be exactly what you’re trying to get at, but I do see a bit of it in your post.
A few thoughts:
I’d have a lot more sympathy for the right being called hicks and rubes if they hadn’t been slinging back just as many insults to the left. “Ivory-tower”, “elites”, “lamestream media”, “anti-American”, “death panels”, “treasonous”, “founder of ISIS”, “crooked Hillary”, do any of these sound familiar? The right gave at least as good as it got over the last eight years; don’t play the martyr now.
Just how ignored were you all, really? The media reported that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. Do you know why they reported that? Because he was born in Hawaii. The left has been talking to Trump voters for years; those voters stuck their fingers in their ears. You were told things you didn’t want to hear, that’s not the same as being ignored.
So people voted for Trump out of anger at the status quo. Let me ask you, have you ever made a good decision when you’re angry?
Who the fuck has been talking about gaffes? Do you think Trump misspoke when he retweeted those “crime statistics”? Do you think Trump had a brain fart when it turned out his plan for dealing with ISIS wasn’t some big solution but rather “talk to my generals”?
If it were gaffes it would be one thing. It isn’t gaffes.
And yeah, when the alternative has all the creationists and the global-warming denialists, and when those make up respectively the vice president and president, we get to be fucking intellectual elitists.
Liberal hypocrisy, real or imagined. But Maxine Waters is dumber than, say, Louis Gohmert? Can you say that with a straight face?
Anyway, I didn’t come here to start an argument about religion, just to tell you guys that Jesus was a Mormon and God is gay. Don’t want to argue about it, just being informative.
“Uneducated whites” is the term for white people who are white but have not gotten a college degree. If you want to argue you are different, then tell us how you don’t fit in that demographic.
Or tell us how your vote for Trump was not the same type of vote you think we mean when we say “uneducated whites voted for Trump.” But that would require talking about why you voted for Trump.
I mean, I am an uneducated white. I’m not offended in the slightest.
Let me also point out that you basically attacked a bunch of people in your post. You accused us of being as bad as racists and sexists, since that’s what we accuse Trump of.
But it’s not. Hate for actions is not the same as hate for who you are. No one is saying “uneducated whites” for racist reasons. That’s just the demographic that got Donald Trump elected president. It’s no different than saying that black people voted for Obama.
Now, are some people showing contempt for those who voted for Trump? Sure. But that’s fine. It’s okay to show contempt for actions. Just not who you are.
In this, you are rather different from me, then. You voted for you and yours. I voted for what I thought would be the best for the country. Other than the nuclear thing, which affects everyone, I didn’t even consider how my choice would affect me and my family. (Though I am now thinking about it, and am very concerned.)
Voting for only themselves is one of the complaints people have about the “uneducated whites” who voted for Trump. In the minority communities it’s all about the betrayal of these people by voting for an open racist and sexist, and thus not caring about minorities. In the LGBT community, people are worried about Pence, who defends torturing them (via “gay conversion therapy.”) It’s about how they want to stop gay marriage and abortion, cornerstones of the women’s/LGBT rights movements.
If you want to assert you are different, then you kinda need to explain why that complaint doesn’t apply to you.
I don’t fucking care if Bush can spell potato. I do care if politicians completely ignore science, facts, and data. If the belief that these things are important makes us intellectual elitists, that is a mantle that I am proud to bear.
Look, the Republicans didn’t have to be the anti-science party; they have made a conscious choice to be. As recently as the G.W. Bush era, the Republicans at least had a believer in science (Sherwood Boehlert) as Chairman of the House Science Committee. They now have it chaired by Lamar Smith. That’s a choice…and if you make the choice to make science slave to your ideology then you deserve to be ridiculed.
And you completely miss my point. I think your post demonstrates what I am talking about. Rather than admitting she is a complete nutjob you turn it around as “Well … so is your guy, neener neener neener.”
There are many studies that show about 1/3 of Democrats don’t believe in evolution.
About twice as many Dems are anti-vaxxers as Pubs.
But here is the difference. We don’t call the Dems “ignorant” or “deplorable” or “uneducated”. Your side does that all of the time to us.
And you didn’t do exactly the same thing? Rather than admitting Michele Bachmann is a complete nutjob you turn it around as “well … so is Maxine Waters, neener neener neener.”
This is a good question, and I’m disappointed that notheretoargue has not yet answered it.
Many of us have thought that some Trump supporters have only vague inchoate fears and wouldn’t even be able to answer such a simple question. Prove us wrong, notheretoargue.
There’s nothing wrong with being poor, white, or uneducated. I’m not sure why you see those things as an insult. There is, however, something wrong with voting for Donald Trump.
I can believe that a Trump voter would consider being called poor and uneducated insults. But is “uneducated, poor, white males” really a hateful phrase?
I don’t think Trump voters are bad people. I think Trump himself is probably a serious Nazi, & definitely a very good student of the Hitlerian rise to power. He played us all, and I don’t just mean the Republicans.