10 year old son, very intolerant

Again, :rolleyes: Nobody has “done way with right and wrong” or eliminated “the concept of individual responsibility for one’s actions, and replaced them with the no-fault get-out clause of blaming everything on illness,” so you can put that particular strawman to rest without setting it aflame. There’s no indication from the OP that the child is exhibiting “brattishness”, other than being perneciously irritated by a tic that would presumably pass unnoticed by most people. That alone indicates a problem, as opposed to being a brat.

It is the case, though, that some children have much greater difficulty than others in paying attention, controlling their impulses, or consistantly applying themselves to a task. Call it a disorder, a personality quirk, or a duck, but the fact is that teaching them ways of focusing attention, putting them in or removing situations which cause distractions, and (sometimes) a judicious application of medication creates a significant increase in quality of life and ability to focus.

Giving them a good bit of the old ultraviolence teaches them…well, it teaches them to hit people when they aren’t getting the results they want. Or it teaches them that, despite their efforts to focus, concentrate, or block out distractions, they are stupid, lazy, and worthless. This is clearly what Case Sensitive would like to do.

There is a difference between willful disobedience–in which a child is defiant or disruptive in order to get attention or establish dominance over an adult–and attentional distress. Given that the kid in the OP choses to leave the room (in most cases) rather than make an issue of the problem suggests the latter over the former. Punishing a child for the latter is worse than useless; it avoids teaching the child a constructive way to deal with the problem or diagnosing and treating a legitimate ailment/disorder/personality quirk/feathered avian, and instead indicates to the child that he or she is just inherently flawed for their inability to stop feeling irritated. Whether it should be considered a pathology or not depends on how much it affects the person’s quality of life and ability to work and study; but clearly, this is an issue for many people who are eventually diagnosed as having a neurological disorder like Asperger’s or ADD.

But hey, if you just want to adovcate beating the kid and berating him as deliberately “being a pain in the arse”, why don’t you take it to The Pit? Here you go, I already started a thread for you.

Stranger

It IS possible to have hypersensitive hearing. I’m famous as work for hearing conversations down the hallway, in another room, behind a closed door… In every apartment I’ve ever lived in I could hear convserations in the next unit over, or overhead. Not yelling arguments - just normal conversations. However, since I grew up in a very noisy household I also learned to mentally screen out loud (to me) background noises. Not everyone is equally adept at such things.

However, it is still the case that noise levels other people tolerate with ease I find physically painful. Vacuuming invariably gave me a pounding headache and ringing ears until I discovered ear plugs. I am driven batty because the phone at my place of work has the volume turned down all the way and it’s STILL too loud - but everyone else using it complains the volume is so low they can’t hear anything (in fact, two people have left notes for me in the past saying the phone was broken when really the earpiece was just turned down.) We’re not even going to get started with the TV volume issue between me and the Other Half, who really IS losing his hearing!

IF the boy has hearing like mine he is going to have to adjust because the world is a very noisy place. I find that if, as soon as I wake up, I expose myself to gradually rising noise levels my hearing will adjust. So I start with low-level music and dial it up a notch every 15 minutes or so. You have to learn to ignore annoying noises (although when tired my tolerance drops remarkably). In my case, white noise is worse than useless - it’s like being next to a speeding frieght train or Niagra falls. It’s loud and annoying to me and set my teeth on edge. And, depending on the person in question, white noise may or may not be beneficial. Maybe he can make some sort of masking noise himself, like a soft hum. And earplugs and other hearing protection are a good thing.

In my case, it’s not a matter of being bratty or snoopy or what have you - I really can hear what people are saying in the next room. And it got me in sooooooo much trouble as a kid.

It’s also possible to be oversensitive to visual stimulation as well. Which is why an evaluation might be in order. Or maybe he really is easily distracted. MIGHT be.

In any case, he’s going to have to learn to cope with this. As a 10 year old, his coping skills won’t be spectacular, but that’s no reason to avoid working on the problem. If he’s easily distracted he needs to work on focus. He’ll also need to learn how to set up a proper study environment for himself. There will be some situations where he can’t leave the room. Work on his “polite requests” - very pleasent tone of voice: “Excuse me, I find that distracting. Can I ask you to stop?” Discuss/role play dealing with situations where that request is refused. And so forth. Because they world isn’t going to change for him.

So it’s distracting movements, and not sounds that bother him? Hmmmm.

Could there be such a thing as a sensitivity to visual stimulation?

Diction side-note: until the OP stated he wasn’t, I would have thought “brat” to be a quite fitting description of this child. Call me crazy (I don’t have children), but “intolerant” + “10 year old” = “brat” in my book. But “intolerant” is a loaded word for me; to me, it conjures images of crosses burning and Republican conventions. It connotes a (dis)position more than a behavioral issue. I’d rather have a brat than an intolerant brat, you know?

After reading through the posts, I’d say the word we’re looking for here is definitely “hyper-sensitive,” if not specifically to sound. I would say: to a doctor get thee, and quickly, if for no other reason than to rule out a bona-fide condition. I would say there’s no harm in getting a second or third opinion before accepting anyone’s recommendation that he need to be put on medication. A firm talking-to if he does it at a time that really does disrespect you or another adult wouldn’t be permanently scarring. I would suggest neither drugging nor beating the child; for that, there’s an excellent Catholic school I can recommend. :rolleyes:

It’s about control.
Almost everythng with kids is about control, and how they can get more. It strikes me, that rather than being polite, he’s being passive aggressive. He’s testing out how much you love him and want his company by how willing you are to give in to his demands, in return for said company. Not healthy.

Take him to the doctor, and if there’s nothing up, allow him to leave the room, but impose some sort of penalty every time he does. Nothing major, maybe not watching a favourite tv show, or losing a small proportion of pocket money.

Maybe see if you can give him more control over another aspect of his life, and reassurance about how much you love him, so that this issue goes away. Perhaps he gets a say in what’s for dinner, or what’s on tv, maybe he gets to walk to school alone, whatever works for you.

I’ve responded in the Pit thread.

Neisha

My neice was diagnosed with something I had never heard of…it’s called Sensory Defensiveness and can be extreme, like hers, or can include mild symptoms, similar to the ones you are experiencing.

IANAD, so take that info for what you will, but you should definately take him to a Dr.

LV

So, is this a new thing, or has he always been like this? If this is a fairly recent development, I’d lean more toward it being something other than ADD. My older brother is the archetype of the ADD kid, and he exhibited symptoms from the time he could walk and talk. That seems pretty typical for ADD folks I’ve talked to–they’ve had these issues as long as they can remember.

As for Case Sensitive’s ramblings, when your car makes a funny noise, you don’t just randomly start replacing shit, do you? Of course not. You do some diagnostics to figure out what the problem is so you’re not wasting your time and money trying to fix things that aren’t broken. That’s why people are suggesting taking the kid to a doctor–something isn’t right here, and we can’t deal with it effectively until we know for sure what we’re trying to deal with.

I don’t know about that.
I have the same thing.
I can’t stand when someone is filing their nails or flossing in the same room as me. It doesn’t matter if I can hear the sound - although that makes it worse. It just makes me agitated until I have to leave. I was stuck sitting behind someone on a bus who was filing their nails, and even though the rumbling of the bus drowned out the noise, I thought I was going to go crazy, trapped on that bus with someone using an emery board.
I wasn’t trying to manipulate her, emotionally or otherwise. How could I, when I don’t even know her?

If the son acts this way around strangers, then how can it be a power struggle? He wouldn’t have any emotional investment (and therefore not waste the energy) in people he didn’t know and wasn’t going to see ever again.

Have you asked him why these things are bothering him? It would be interesting to know if he could shed some light the situation.

Your comment would hold weight if the number of kids legitimately receiving drugs for ADD and those being misdiagnosed were at all equal. Instead, I’d estimate that there’s a hundred kids being pointlessly drugged for every one genuine ADD case. So the amount of parents of non-ADD kids being swayed toward drugs because of pro-medication positions vastly outnumber the number of parents of ADD kids being swayed away by anti-med types. Really, I don’t get it when people say that anti-psych med types (who, save the Scientologists and other assorted nutballs like them aren’t really “anti,” just people who want to exercise a little common sense and restraint wrt pharmaceuticals) are out on a mission to deny help to those people who need it. There aren’t any television commercials or full-page magazine ads telling people not to put their kids on Ritalin.

But this really doesn’t have much to do with the topic.

Yes; I have that too, especially with movement in my peripheral vision. If someone next to me is fanning themself or bouncing their foot, it drives me nuts.

Lady Venom’s post mentions sensory defensiveness–I’ve suspected for a while that that’s what my problem is, but I haven’t bothered to go find out for sure.

I am a type of person that is easily distracted by sound. In fact, I have been diagnosed with ADHD. I simply cannot think if there sound that continuously starts and stops, regularly or intermittently. The sounds are too immediate, too intense… grating. Even when I play video games, the noise from the game has to drown out all other distractions, or my performance degrades. My mind has to be 100% occuppied by what I am doing.

You might think that I prefer silence. I don’t, because it’s not perfect. The slightest percievable sound is intolerable. To solve this, I always have a fan going in the parts of the house that I frequent. That is a nice constant sound that replaces silence, and muffles everything else. Despite that, I was distracted from this post more times than I can remember. Distraction is not what I am trying to prevent, really; just the adrenaline rush caused by the intensity of mundane noise.

I am taking no medication for my “disorder”. I recommend against taking your child to a psychiatrist, or GP for something like this. You should not do that, for the same reason a non-depressed person should not take Prozac to guarantee a healthy state of mind.

I just want to add to that; the element of distraction is not limited to sound. Pretty much anything that is potentially distracting is a factor. I can’t run “xeyes” on my desktop, which is nothing but a box with two eyes that follow your mouse cursor around the screen.

OOh. Sounds cool. Tell me how to get that (xeyes). :smiley:

lol

xeyes has long been included in the Xfree86 implementation of the X protocol. It is(was) used to test the responsiveness of the mouse.

I found a windows imitation with a quick google search: http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file_description/0,fid,4725,00.asp

There’s probably a ton of them, so you might want to look at some others to see which you prefer.

It is pretty cool, IMO. I have it on my “public” computer. There’s another program that creates snow that accumulates on the windows and bottom of the display. I run that - and another one that blinks the LEDs on my keyboard - during Christmas.

Can you respond to me in the Pit thread? Why is this something that deserves punishment?

I frequently find myself in a zone where I don’t want to be bothered in any way, and where any noise or interruption makes me want to lash out or leave the room in a huff.

I’d say the best thing to do is just make sure he learns to handle it without being overly rude. Luckily, it sounds like he’s most of the way there already!

Er, what?

The OP should consider taking the child to be evaluated by a professional diagnostician if only to rule out the causes suggested here (Attention Deficient Disorder, Autistic Spectrum Disorder, emotional problems, hearing or excessive sensory issues[sup]*[/sup], et cetera) so that the behavior can be corrected or modified appropriately. Whether pharmaceutical means should be considered is up to the physcian, the parent, the child, and may not be indicated even if the child does have a disorder. If the worst thing that happens is that the child leaves the room when irritated, then it just may not be worth the effort and potential side effects to utilize medication, or other methods may be more effective.

But until the cause is determined the behavior will continue. Generally, some “odd” behavior like this is actually the tip of the iceberg; we don’t know how the child does in school, for instance, or socializes, or so forth, but from the sparse information offered in the OP the symptoms do fit with ADD or ASD, and if other characteristics are also occuring it is a good idea to have it checked and see what options are available and recommended. If the behavior is not a problem

Stranger

  • Although the OP has already indicated that is isn’t just a sensitivity to sound.

Sorry, but I’ll pass. I’ve made my apology for my intemperate posts in this thread down there, and having pissed off enough people as it is, I don’t feel like fanning the flames any further: any debates on corporal punishment usually degenerate into “You’re a monster!” vs. “It never did me any harm, ya wimp” name-calling with neither side convincing the other, so I’d prefer to let this one lie and keep quiet for a bit.