And it looks like your fucking Bears wanted our SS too.
And while we are talking about fucking teams the fucking Raiders have won 3 times as many fucking Super Bowls as the fucking Bears. but who’s counting Super Bowls?
So for our first-round selection, with a very good defensive lineman on the board, we drafted a… running back?!? Wow, talk about filling a need. We only signed like 6 of them in the offseason. :rolleyes:
4-12. The stupid Broncos are going 4-12 this year, mark my words. “Well” you say, “at least they’ll get a good draft pick next year. There’s always that, right?”
Why yes… unless of course, we trade our FIRST round pick next year straight-up to get a SECOND round pick this year and select a mediocre cornerback (NOT a defensive lineman. I mean, why try to improve the weakest part of your team? Silly…) and trash our future along with our present… but we wouldn’t do that. We’re rational intelligent folks over here…
I think McDaniels is really an agent of Satan sent to Earth from the bowels of hell to destroy the hopes and dreams of Denver football fans.
Our picks thus far: RB, LB (maybe DE, but he’s a LB first), CB, CB, TE. Because running backs, corners and Tight Ends were the certainly the reason we missed the playoffs despite the 2nd ranked offense in the league and one of the best corners. Not the fact that the opposing qb had time to boil water, make a cup of coffee, read the paper, and compose a well-written trilogy on the joys of being an NFL quarterback playing the Broncos before our d-line could even get close enough to read his number.
And in all that, we managed to lose our 3rd rounder this year and our FIRST FUCKING ROUNDER next year which could’ve been traded earlier for us to get a powerhouse defensive lineman in BJ Raji. Not to mention Colt McCoy (oh yeah, that whole ‘Quarterback thing’) will be in the draft next year and we just might’ve sucked enough to get him. Or we could’ve traded our other pick from the Bears (who will do much better than us) to move up. I’m honestly considering calling the white house and reporting Mc Daniels as a leading figure behind Al Quida with a plan to launch a Nuclear Strike on Washington.
I’m going to eat my underwear now and dream of happier times.
Trust me when I tell you that that in no way bodes well for you. If there’s one thing the Bears know, it’s how to radically over-reach for a coveted player who’d be available 3 rounds later.
Look at it this way: at least you’re not the Raiders. As a Buccaneers fan, I’m looking at the Josh Freeman pick and thinking, “at least we’re not the Broncos or Raiders.”
We have nearly as many quarterbacks as you do running backs. We should trade! Byron Leftwich for Andre Hall and Peyton Hillis?
Yeah, it only takes two teams to both decide they covet a player, and push him far ahead based on what they think the other guy will do… sigh. Damn Bears. I hold you responsible for this!
On the bright side, both Heyward-Bey and Mitchell seem like smart, hard-working guys. They might not live up to their draft positions, but at least they won’t be assholes.
Also on the bright side: every team in the AFC West making terrible picks. San Diego unfortunately is still making fairly conservative bad moves, but it’s still nice. KC probably overreached for Jackson and got no one else today; Denver… well, let’s just say, I don’t think a 5’9" corner will be worth a 2010 first rounder.
All this talk about whether this year’s pick are worth more or less than next year’s picks, and two teams trade a future 1st for a current 2nd. This was supposed to be a weak draft?
And the Bears a Cowboys basically take a pass. The only consensus is that everyone’s fans are pissed off.
Can I ask why? We filled two needs that we had. A vertical threat for Russell and a safety. We signed 3 OL in free agency. Sure TB had a better record last year but you either win the SB or you don’t. And the Raiders beat you last year to knock you out of the playoffs. So take your pity elsewhere.
The more I think about it the less I really care about Kiper or Mayock’s draft boards. If they were so good they wouldn’t be working for ESPN.
Do you not understand the concept of value? Getting good players is only half the battle, you’ve got to get them at the right spot. More than half of all picks bust. So the more picks you have the better your chances. If you can get Heyward-Bey at 15 or 17, you have to take him there and add a 3rd rounder in the process instead of just taking him at 7. That way if the guy is a bust, at least you have an extra pick to hedge your bet with.
And Al Davis obviously isn’t batting a thousand with his scouting, he needs all the hedges he can get.
I agree 100%. Drafting is akin to gambling otherwise Tom Brady would have never made it to the 4th round. If you think there’s a player on the board who can help your team, you take him. There are no guarantees they will be there later. If any team knew the player they wanted would be available later they would undoubtedly trade down and take the extra picks. But there are no guarantees so you work with what you have.
Heyward-Bey being there later was about as sure of a bet as there can be. If someone gives you 10-1 odds on a 50-50 chance you take it. He essentially gave away the equivalent of a 2nd round pick to guard against a 10% risk of losing him. Ditto the second round pick, maybe the Bears wanted him there, maybe not. I saw reports we had him graded as a 4th rounder, the Raiders had better be sure he’s definitely a lot better than their 2nd choices considering how little people even scouted that kid.
You took the consensus third-best (at best) wide receiver with the best and second best still on the board! There isn’t anyone out there not lambasting the Raiders right now except Herm Edwards.
Anyway, I didn’t say anything about pity. If you want to keep rooting for an Al Davis-run team, that’s your choice.
So, I’m guessing your resume was right there under McDaniels’ but you didn’t get called for an interview? There are five more rounds of the draft to go and a whole lotta’ flesh tradin’ to be done before summer camp starts. Simmer down and give the Dove Valley gang a chance to do their jobs.
Three of the five players the Broncs picked in the first two rounds are defensive. I’m takin’ a WAG that defense will be a focus on Sunday.
God I HOPE SO!!! 
Seahawks Used: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th.
Seahawks Got: Aaron Curry (OLB, Wake Forest), Max Unger (C, Oregon), Broncos’ 2010 First Round Pick.
There seemed to be some initial confusion on whether we got the Broncos’ 1st or the Chicago Bears’ 1st through Denver for the Cutler trade. ESPN.com initially reported it was the Chicago pick but it seems like everyone’s agreed it is the pick belonging to the Broncos. So we basically tok who many had as the best player in the whole draft (Aaron Curry), filled a need in the second round (Unger), then traded a 3rd and 4th in a weak draft for a 1st in a draft that’s looking to be strong. Possibly picking Top 10. AWESOME draft so far.
Even better, without a 3rd and 4th Round pick I get to sleep in tomorrow! 
(Though there’s a real chance we trade up as we’ve got about a BRAZILLION 7th Rounders).
Sorry I didn’t get to these earlier, I had to work late. Furt did a good job responding to most of it, but there’s a couple things I want to mention. Let’s be more realistic here; reasonable Eagles fans aren’t up in arms about Maclin. He’s by most measures a top 10 talent, and the Eagles got him at 19, which is really good value. He’s an exceptional athlete and yeah, he’s likely to be a good weapon. We’re happy about this. But he isn’t what the team actually needs, and in football, you have to specialize to capitalize on opportunities. So yes, the Eagles need a certain kind of receiver.
There aren’t an infinite number of passes in every football game. Teams generally try to balance between run and pass, and though the Eagles skew more to the pass than most, there is a finite number of catches per game. After Westbrook, Jackson, whoever the TE is, and Curtis, there isn’t much left. If Maclin got the catches Brown (18 catches in '08) and Lewis (19 catches in '08) got…well he still wouldn’t get much. What is left, however, is a need for someone to be able to go over the middle and get 6 yards, or separate from press coverage and get 6 yards. Maclin is not that.
Well, okay, they do, but there are distinctions to be made that are important. McNabb was 4th in pass attempts last season. But they also had about 110 of those attempts go to the RB, which is among the highest in the league. This matters, because the WRs aren’t going to see those attempts anyway. Though what I should have said is that the Eagles don’t often pass downfield to WRs. In the interest of fairness, Maclin provides some versatility when the Eagles are looking to go downfield as opposing defenses can’t single out on Jackson as the likely downfield receiver. If you line up Nate Robinson and Hines Ward (for example), there’s a good chance we know who is going to run the go route. With Jackson and Maclin, we don’t.
It isn’t ridiculous at all. Pro football isn’t played the way you play Madden; you can’t run Hail Marys on first through fourth downs. Someone has to go over the middle to draw the safeties and open up the edges for downfield receivers. This is basic offensive philosophy. Maclin is not going to draw safeties underneath, that isn’t really what he does, he can’t separate from press coverage well. The Eagles need someone who can break through a press coverage, and neither Jackson nor Curtis do it, and Maclin won’t either. This hurts the offense, as furt said, like as in the Carolina game, or in last season’s NFC championship game when the Eagles could have won on the final drive but none of their WRs could get open for 4th and 6 (or so).
There’s more than one reason the Eagles were terrible at short yardage last season, and only part of it was the running game. When teams know that they can shut down slants and curls with press at the line of scrimmage, it means they can load up on the run and shut both parts of the offense out at the same time. If defenses have to respect the slant or the in route, they can’t stack the box and suddenly 3rd and 2 can be a running down again.
Consensus 3rd best according to whom? The same people who put Ryan Leaf on par with Peyton Manning? It’s a complete crapshoot for the most part. There were serious question marks about Crabtree’s attitude and it can be argued that both Crabtree and Maclin played in gimmick college offenses. Anyway we’ll see a few yeas from now who was right.
:smack:
It doesn’t matter who’s better for the purposes of this discussion. The complaint isn’t that the Raiders got a guy who’s a bust. It’s that they spent to much to get him. Now, if you want to argue that 3 or 4 teams in the 8-15 range had Heyward-Bey at the top of their boards ahead of Crabtree and Maclin, then we can talk, but I don’t think that’s the case. The Raiders spent a dollar on a guy who costs 75 cents, and told the shop keeper to keep the change.
I’m pretty happy with the Panthers’ first day. With no 1st rounder because of last year’s trade to get Otah, they wind up with Everett Brown, who many mocks had going in the first. Yes, they gave up next year’s 1st, which is painful, but DE is a big need for them, with or without Peppers. They also got an extra pick today and they need depth. I don’t know much about Martin, the CB from Troy they took at 59, but they needed to replace Marshall who’s moving in to take Lucas’ spot. So they filled two big holes. We’ll see if they pan out.
It’s probably because Chicago’s trade partner (Seattle) isn’t quite so cavalier with future draft picks. . . 