2012 NFC North Discussion Thread

Weel gang, the past couple of years I have done a fairly comprehensive position-by-position, game-by-game analysis that has been so on point that I have been accused of sorcerery. Or perhaps I dreamed that last part. Anyway this year I haven’t the time, but I did want us to get our own thread for the Lion, Packer, Bears and Vikings fans to RUMBLE!!!

My thoughts; Three teams that can legitimately believe they have a chance to get to the Super Bowl. Three teams with QBs they can have confidence in. The Packers have the best QB and the best receiving corp, but need to desperately improve on defense and could use just enough more of a running game to make it not avoidable 100%. The Lions have the best receiver in the game, a great QB and no running game. They have a defense that at the end of last season was horrible and off the field problems. Then there are the Bears who looked fantastic halfway through last season before injuries got to them. Finally the Vikings hoping to continue to make progress with their young QB and a banged up Adrian Peterson.

As you folks may know, I am Packers fan, so I admit biases. I do not think the Packers will go 15-1, of course, but I do think they will still win the division. The defense should be improved (it has to be, right?) and I think they go 12-4. I have the Bears close on their heels at 11-5 and the Lions at 10-6 and just missing the playoffs. The Vikings I forecast at 4-12.

The NFC North looks like a pretty tough division again this year. I’m groovin’ on the optimism coming from Chicago, the arrests coming from Detroit, and the growing pains coming from Minnesota. It should be an interesting year.

Some observations:

  1. My expectations for the Packers will make it an … intriguing year. I think they’re one of, if not the, best team in the NFL, and anything less than another trip to the Super Bowl will be a disappointment. That’s putting a bit of pressure on. I’m not enthused with yet another bout of injuries (Have a good IR, Desmond Bishop. Glad we drafted you in the first round, Derrick Sherrod. Happy retirement Nick Collins.) that seem to constantly wreck havoc with the team, but there are some young players on defense I think could emerge and improve on their dismal showing last year. But, again, the regular season won’t much matter. What matters is that they don’t screw the pooch in the postseason again that is my biggest concern. That and if Aaron Rodgers gets injured.

  2. The Chicago Cutlers had themselves a very nice offseason talentwise. They reunited with Brandon Marshall, got rid of a offensive coordinator whose system they couldn’t run, got a running back who can actually score touchdowns, got a real backup QB, drafted another big receiver with a nice catch radius, and are getting their first round draft pick from last year back healthy to help a very bad O Line. They’ve gone all in on Cutler, giving him almost everything he wants and playing a system that fits his talents rather than expecting him to change the way he plays. Hopefully now the excuses for Cutler’s inability to reach the top 10 rated QB will end. Who am I kidding. I’m sure this time it will be the O Line’s fault if he doesn’t take the next step.

  3. The Chicago Bears defense got older. Urlacher’s injury, Peppers’ foot, Tillman’s loss of speed, and yet another year on the tires for the other players will make it tough on that defense to carry the team anymore. But the thinking is that the performance by the offense will make up for any deficiency in the defense. Should be interesting.

  4. The Lions are reaping what they sowed. With an offseason full of arrests and PR headaches, they’re hoping the focus goes back to what goes on ON the field, not what their players do off it, or their coach does after a game. Personally, I don’t think they did nearly enough to improve that linebacker corp and secondary to be a legitimate Super Bowl contender, but they still have Stafford and Megatron, so never count them out. It is nice to have a coach and some players I dislike immensely to root against once again. Although I love me some Megatron.

  5. The Vikings are rebuilding. They have some nice pieces to begin with (I like Kalil and Harrison Smith to be starters for awhile), Percy Harvin, and Adrian Peterson (how’s the knee), but they’re a far way off from contending. They’ll be interesting to watch for me only to see how their young players develop, including Ponder, Kyle Rudolph, and that defense. It could be a long year for Vikes fans.

Vikings fan here. Hopefully Ponder shows enough to make me a believer. I don’t care about the record much, mainly because it won’t be good. Avoid major injuries (especially AD), make sure Ponder is either the one or that he’s decent trade bait to a sucker team, and don’t go winning a game that costs us major picks in the draft.

Packers: 19-0 and Rodgers throws 55 TDs
Bears: 13-3
Lions: 11-5
Vikings: 5-11

You think the Bears are going to miss the playoffs at 13-3?

I didn’t say anything about the Bears. If Cutler’s healthy, I’m sure they’ll be good. I’d say the Lions might be better, but I’m guessing they’ll still have problems with discipline, which could cost them an extra game or two.

I have a tough time seeing the Packers going the whole season without losing any games. Sure, it’s possible and they have an incredible passing attack with Rodgers and all his weapons around him, but it would be just too tough to not lose somewhere along the season. I’m also not convinced that Cedric Benson is the answer at RB either. Of course, the Homer in me especially wants to see them lose in weeks 2 and 15.

I also see the Bears coming in #2 in the division behind the Pack. As mentioned everywhere, they’ve beefed up their own passing game but there are still questions about their O line, their safeties, and their aging defense.

I think the off-field issues and discipline problems are going to take their toll on the Lions. They’ll have a great offense with the Stafford-Megatron connection (Burleson ain’t a slouch either), but will struggle getting a running game to compliment it.

I think the Vikes will step up but still come in 4th in the division.

I’m also going out on a limb and predicting Week 1 wins for everyone in the division. Let’s see how that goes.

You said they’d finish 13-3. You also said the Packers would go 19-0, which is obviously including playoff games. Since you didn’t include playoff games in the Bears’ record I was assuming you thought they wouldn’t make the playoffs. Since I think a 13-3 team would get a wild card slot, I was asking for clarification.

Peter King has the Packers finishing 2nd to the Bears (with the same record) in the division but the Packers winning the Super Bowl. The Bears had a lot of bad luck last year, so I kinda suspect they’ll be back to their 2010 season ways, and it’ll be a very close division battle between the Bears and the Pack. Would love to see a Packers-Bears NFC championship game again, maybe at Lambeau this time around, one of these years, the Packers have got to win a home playoff game or two.

So besides the two losses to the Pack who will the Bears other loss come from?

Sorry, I thought the combination of me being a Vikings fan and the outlandishness of a 19-0 prediction would be obvious that I don’t really expect the Packers to go unbeaten. I think they’ll be a great team and at least in the NFC Championship Game, the Bears will be very good, and the Lions will be a playoff team. The Vikings will hopefully perform better this year, but I don’t expect much, record-wise. If it’s year 2 in a 4 year project, with year 3 being playoffs and year 4 being Super Bowl contender, I’ll be happy enough.

Well, I didn’t really have any time this weekend to write up a thorough breakdown of the Bears heading into this 2012 season but before calling it a night I figured I’d fire off a quick synopsis so that I can brag about how smart I am at the end of the season without being accused of cheating by doing it in week 3.

First, on Friday, I got lucky and someone in my office was selling Bears tickets. In a heated competition I was able to get an email response off fastest and landed the tix. So, I will be attending my first ever regular season game in the new Soldier Field. Pretty excited about it. It’s weird because I’ve been to see the Bears at Lambeau, Giants Stadium and Pro Player Stadium since it was built, yet aside from a couple preseason games I’ve never been to the one just down the street from me. I’m extra glad to be watching the Colts game since the Bears will probably win, the Colts are something of a local rival and I have a lot of friends who are Colts fans, I want a tiny payback for the Super Bowl loss and I get to see Andrew Luck.

Enough of that, now to the team breakdown.

Offense
This is the most excited I’ve been about an offense in a long time. Typically I need to grasp at straws to find positive news about the Bears offense. Any time I’m pumped about a player or a performance it’s usually “by Bears standards”, finally I feel like we could have a elite NFL offense.

It all starts with Jay Cutler. Martz is gone and Jay will get the reigns. Mike Tice is the coordinator but in reality it looks like this is Cutler’s offense. Cutler is smart and the way Martz took away his ability to audible or improvise was essentially taking away one of his strengths. Cutler will be slinging the ball out to Marshall and Jeffery a ton and you can be sure that anytime he sees 1-on-1 coverage on the outside that’s where he’s going, this is a very good thing.

The WRs are maybe the best they’ve ever been in Chicago. Marshall will be a super star this year so long as he’s on the field all season long. Cutler will see to it. Jeffery was a guy I oscillated back and forth on in the draft. Originally I was really high on him because of my love for size out of a WR, then the reports about him being fat and slow cooled me considerably. Then the combine rolled around and he looked great. When the Bears landed him in the 2nd round I was pretty fired up but I was prepared to be disappointed. This preseason he looked outstanding. His catch radius is amazing and he’s been a very hard worker. He’s not running away from guys, but he is so big and uses his size well so he’s always open anyways. He dominates DBs. Between Marshall and Jeffery, Cutler will never lack for good matchups. An under rated quality from these guys is their superior run blocking, if Forte or Bush get to the second level these guys could turn that into a TD.

Aside from Marshall and Jeffery, the Bears have role players and depth to be happy about. Hester is still there doing what he does. Tice seems to have downplayed the whole WR1 talk and will use him as the gadget that he should be. If teams double the big guys, Hester should be able to get into space and chew up LBs. Though it’s possible he’ll struggle to get reps with Earl Bennett being so consistent in the slot. Cutler obviously likes him a lot and Bennett could be Mr 3rd down. Personally I think Jay will go to Marshall in those situations and Bennett’s status as security blanket is in doubt. But, a possession guy in the slot is a great complement. Sanzenbacher is something of a Bennett clone, albeit with worse hands. Both guys just know how to find those holes on 3rd down.

At the TE position I’m a lot less excited. The Bears kept 4 of them on the roster which makes me think they are pretty iffy too. I was high on Kellen Davis because of his amazing physical gifts and the occasional highlight reel play. The Bears were too and decided to anoint him starter this offseason and not pursue anyone in free agency. This preseason however he’s been extremely underwhelming. Davis should be the perfect all-around TE, with prototypical size-speed and above average blocking skills and hands, but he can’t seem to put it together. Not sure if it’s route running or awareness that he’s missing, but it’s something. Maybe the attention on the outside will open things up for him.

Behind him they have Spaeth, an older guy who’s basically the blocking specialist. I figured they’d dump him but I guess the issues on the OL forced them to keep him, he’ll probably get a lot of snaps and should help the running game but he’s not a dominant blocker. If we’re keeping a blocking TE I want a better one than him. Next in line is Kyle Adams. A fan favorite who everyone gets excited about in the preseason against the 2s and 3s. In reality he’s probably a waste of a roster spot. He’s a subpar blocker and not enough of an athlete to be a major threat in the passing game. He’s always in the right place and catches well, but I don’t think he’s worth the roster spot.

The last guy and maybe the only really interesting one is Evan Rodriguez. He’s tiny for a TE at 6’2"-230, but he’s a very good receiver. The Bears had hoped to make him a H-back but at least so far he’s completely overmatched as a blocker. The Bears dumped their only FB to keep 4 TEs and one of these guys will have to be able to play in the backfield and block from the wing. Rodriguez because of his height is the natural there, but he’s easily the worst blocker of the bunch. Calling him a project as an H-back is an understatement. That said, the trendy comparison for him has been Aaron Hernandez and he has that type of receiving ability. Whether he’ll split out that much and basically exist as a 6th WR remains to be seen, but that’s not the H-back they claimed to be drafting. He’s an interesting rookie to watch, but he probably won’t be a big factor this season.

The running game has gotten a lot of offseason pub. Forte’s hold-out and Bush’s signing were big moves. Forte was a beast before his injury last season and was better than I thought he could be. I like Forte’s skill set, but I never thought he had the burst he showed last year. We’ll see if that repeats this season in spite of the holdout. In the preseason the team didn’t have much success running the ball at all. I’m concerned about the running game, we’re still gonna struggle on short yardage and the blocking is pretty rough, but if the passing game does what I think it will they’ll have quite a bit of breathing room.

Adding Bush to spell Forte was very smart and this should be a really nice platoon between the 20s. We’ll see what happens in the red zones. People think Bush is the solution to the Bears goal line issues but I don’t remember the exact stat, but Bush was even worse on goal line carries than Forte last season. Still, Bush will add a lot of value to a powerful offense. Plus, bush did score 2 goal line TDs in the preseason so maybe I’ll be proven wrong. The Bears had selected Lorenzo Booker as the 3rd back, which I liked because of his scatback style, but he suffered a concussion and will be placed on the IR. The man he barely beat out, Armando Allen will get the nod. Allen and Booker are nearly identical, so I don’t see this as an issue.

This leads us to the Offensive Line. It sucks, pure and simple. There were stretches in the preseason when they played really soundly but I’m guessing that was against vanilla schemes. Against the blitz things got decidedly more hairy. We did get Carimi back which should do a lot to stabilize the right side along with Louis. He looked great in what little time he got, though with only 2 starts under his belt he’s far from a certainty. Louis is back at RG after bouncing all over the line last season and he needs to make a leap. He wasn’t a bright spot last season, but he was at least okay under perhaps the most absurd of circumstances. Maybe stability will pay off for him. Garza in the middle is average, he’s not good but he’s pretty steady and he’s the veteran that needs to make all the calls. Considering the number of complete whiffs last season at least some had to be on blown calls, so maybe he’s a bigger issue than the Bears and the media are letting on. We’ll see. The left side is where all the major issues are. Spencer was up and down last season but he did have a few good games early in the year. This preseason he’s been frigging awful. Rachal hasn’t been any better backing him up, I’m sort of hoping Edwin Williams finds his way into the lineup but that’s not really part of the plan. Webb won the starting LT job in camp by default because his only competition was the horrible Chris Williams. I’m still fuming that the Bears didn’t address this in the offseason. It’s make or break time for Webb, and it seems like it’s heading towards break.

All the good things I said about the offense could be undone by that line. Cutler needs to stay vertical to do anything with that passing game and the running backs could be on their own. Tice will certainly help them out far more than Martz did and with 4 TEs you can expect quite a but of help on the edges. Plus Jay’s ability to audible might save him from some blitzes. I think we’ll score a lot of points, but I have no illusions about how tenuous that could be with this group of blockers. Hopefully the right side firms up and the weapons are scary enough to keep teams from blitzing indiscriminately. We’ll find out later today I guess with their first test of Freeney and Mathis.

Originally I expected this to be short, and obviously I was wrong. Time for me to crash and I’ll have to get to the defense tomorrow night.

Packers look like crap. It is hard to believe, but the defense looks worse than last year.

Well folks, when you are 52% right that means you are 48% wrong. :smiley:

Good game by the Bears – they stumbled out of the gate in the first quarter and it was pretty ugly, but after they got it in gear, they kept a lead and looked good the rest of the game.

I’m happy to be wrong when it comes to vistories and the Packers. Nice to see any talk of them going the whole season without losing quashed right away. Hopefully they can keep this up next week, too.

Stafford put up some very Harringtonesque passes. I hope it was a one-time early season jitters thing, but he just flat out missed seeing defenders who weren’t really hiding. I’m sure some of the real ballhawks like Woodson will cream their pants watching the tape of this game.

Agreed. There were some missed officiating calls in that game, but based on how the defense played, the Pack didn’t deserve to be in a position to pull it out in the fourth quarter, in the first place. Niner receivers were massively open all day long.

I like how you imply the Pack were on the wrong end of those misses. The biggest botched call of the game was on Cobbs return which ended in a ill-gotten TD.

Wasn’t my intention. Agreed that both teams benefited from poor officiating.

Overall, a disappointing afternoon from the Packers. Their secondary looked massively confused, and they were having problems with the run. They did seem to be getting to the QB better than they were at the end of last year.

As for the offense, they looked out-of-sync to start, but quite honestly, that Niners defense is ridiculous and will make a lot of offenses look like crap. Living in Northern California I get to see them a lot and I can tell you, NO ONE runs on the Niners. They are aggressive and have some quick and talented young guys. Finley, of course dropped a couple of crucial balls…shocker. But what was interesting was when they lined up Cobb in the backfield, the Niners were having a difficult time finding him and the final TD to Jones was made possible by the blown coverage of the Niners trying to figure out who was covering Cobb. That was a positive from the game.

As for the officiating, it was horrible, the worst I saw on Sunday, but it was equally so, the biggest (non)-call going the Packers way, but there were several crucial decisions that helped the Niners. In the end the better team won.

That, I will completely agree with.

It’s Packers/Bears week. This week, it’s our Thursday night game (hello trip to the sports bar!), and it’s a very intriguing matchup. The Bears (1-0) offense looked great last week, putting up 400+ yards against a very bad Colts team. They’re flying high, Cutler is talking smack, and they have a nice little swagger to them, mostly due to their confidence in their offense. The Packers (0-1) looked downright soft in their beating at the hands of the 49ers last week. Dominated in the trenches and unable to establish any rhythm on offense, the Packers are looking to avoid starting 0-2 and getting 2 games behind the Bears to start the season.

It should be a pretty interesting game with a lot of things to watch. Can the Packers secondary stop the oversized Bears WR’s. Can Webb and Co. stop the pass rush? Will Matt Forte and Michael Bush be able to run all over the Packers like the 49ers did? Will Mike McCarthy change his gameplan now that teams have started to take away their big play potential? And how insufferable will the Bears fans be if they get a win in Lambeau?

Can’t wait.