Alshon Jeffery weighed in at only 216 pounds.
I think most GMs will be pleased with that, I think he’s going to just miss the stigma of being “too short”. Though 6’4" might have been a little bit safer for his agent’s sanity.
Surprising. I wonder if he’ll test fast at that weight and I wonder if teams will be convinced that this is where he’ll play or if people assume he’s simply primed for the Combine. In the latter case, at least teams will be satisfied that he’s taking the process seriously and professionally. Wonder if this will help him edge out Floyd or Wright as the #2 WR.
I dunno, I just know that I think first round is too high for anybody but Blackmon, but that’s just me.
I’m beginning to think the first round is too high for Blackmon too. He won’t run the 40 (one big knock on him is his speed) at the combine because he says his hammy is bugging him. Given that he’s not quite 6 feet 1, I’m thinking that there is no way he’s worth a top 20, let alone a top 5, pick at all. Too small and too slow aren’t good things to have to overcome at your pro day.
Bill Simmons posited this trade, allowing Denver to move up into Cleveland’s spot: Trade Tebow to Jacksonville for their #1, use that 1 and their own, to move up to #2, taking RGIII.
Or why not, with their estimated $50M in cap space, make a run at Peyton Manning and keep Tebow and their #1? Could they use Tebow as a RB who occasionally threw? Does he know how to block? Not saying Manning would want to go there, but how do you all think that destination would rank vs other likely and unlikely spots (Miami, Washington, SF?, Dallas?)
Their fan base will kill their front office if they trade Tebow now. OTOH, as a Texans fan, I’d love it if the Jags got Tebow, as it’d ensure their continued mediocrity.
RG3 runs sub-4.4 on the electronically timed slow track at the combine. Fastest QB in over a decade.
The things I’m going to do if the Browns don’t end up with RG3 keeps growing. Now including: burn down an orphanage, smash a priceless vase.
Edit: Seriously, the fact that he ran so fast is a negative amongst some retarded Browns fans. “Oh, he’s a running QB. When was the last time a running QB won a superbowl?”
In their minds, if he had the exact same passing numbers in college, had the exact same accuracy and arm strength, but ran a 4.7 instead of a 4.38, he’d actually be a better pick, because you know, then he wouldn’t be a running QB.
I want to kill them all.
I don’t know…his biceps seem too big to me. What if he throws too hard?
Sanu ran a unofficial 4.65. I’m not a huge combine-measurables guy, but that is waaaaayyy to slow. Floyd ran a unofficial 4.42, which will help his stock quite a bit.
Now my Browns fandom runs pretty deep. I was only a kid when the incident with Modell happened, so I’ve only really been able to appreciate football in the '99 and beyond era. So I’ve had nothing but being shit on for my entire football fandom period, and yet I’m a more dedicated fan than the vast majority.
I also tend not to do drama queen false ultimatums like “if my team doesn’t ____, I’m done”
But in this particular case… it’s such a ridiculously perfect opportunity for the team. They stocked up 2 first round draft picks, they’re drafting #4 overall. There’s a “best prospect in a decade” QB that occupies the only team picking ahead of us that clearly needs a QB. The Browns have more and better draft picks than any potential suitors to trade up ahead of us.
And they can take a guy who, guaranteed, will make football exciting and watchable, consistently, in a way that’s only happened for a few short runs in the last 13 years. A guy who’s the entire package - who’s smart, who’s got impeccable character, who’s got the work ethic - I mean, who, before you even get to his amazing physical attributes, already starts to make you want him. A guy who may be a better athlete than Michael Vick (or at least similar), yet a far more developed passer, with better accuracy, with good character, with intelligence, leadership, and work ethic.
If the team has this great opportunity to make football something that I get excited for, rather than dread, by October, and they pass on him, I don’t think I could take that. To watch him go off to another team and be a star. If the Browns don’t end up with RG3, I don’t think I can keep my interest.
I fear your mancrush has made you forget the names of JaMarcus Russell, Alex Smith, David Carr, Tim Couch, Jeff George, or all the other #1 QB’s who never lived up to the potential. Whether it be injury problems, failure to adjust to the pro game and pro style defenses, inability to go through his progressions, too quick to rely on his athleticism, or any of the plethora of things that change from college to the pros, there simply are no guarantees in the draft. For your sake, I hope he’s all that and a bag of chips, but putting all your fandoms eggs in one guys basket seems a ton premature.
Sometimes, he just works too hard. Or the job is too important to him. Or he just gets it done too well.
I didn’t guarantee he’d be a great quarterback, but that he’d be exciting to watch. Vick was exciting to watch even when overall he was not a great QB. I’d rather have a team like the early 2000s Falcons, where at least there was something interesting to watch, than anything like the 2011 Browns.
I’m saying that’s his floor - even if he takes time to adjust to the pro game, or doesn’t adjust well, he’ll at least make things interesting to watch.
Of course injury would cancel that, but you can’t make that a concern with any player that doesn’t have a consistent injury history.
Meanwhile, Georgia Tech’s Stephen Hill ran a 4.3 flat. He’s 6’4" and likes to block. I was hoping to nab Hill in the second round, but I don’t think that he’ll last that long.
I want wins, not excitement. Vick was very exciting to watch, but give me a boring old win over a 40 yard, ankle breaking run anyday. Give me boring old McNabb beating up Vick in the playoffs repeatedly or Grossman, Simms, and Delhomme ending the Falcons’ 2005 season out of the playoffs anyday.
False dichotomy in this case. It’s not as if we have the choice between wins and excitement. Most likely, without Griffin, the 2012 Browns have neither. The best chance for both is through him.
But I was just saying that, at the very least, even if he’s not instantly successful, he will be instantly fun to watch and bring promise back to the franchise.
I mean - look at the Panthers. They barely won any games this year, not really any better than the Browns, yet as a fan you’d watch them and you’d have excitement and hope and the general feelings that things are getting better and you have reason to hang in there as a fan. I’m saying, at the very least, Griffin will bring that.
Most likely he will bring the wins too.
A 6’4" receiver who runs a 4.3 40? Impressive indeed. But is he a combine wiz or a real NFL WR, and how much would you be willing to pay to find out? Those 28 catches are concerning (although it was Georgia Tech, which hates WR’s). Sounds like he’s DeMaryius Thomas (with much less production) ver. 2.0. I’d be very leery of grabbing him in the first round, but late in the second seems like a nice spot.
SenorBeef: When HAS a running QB won a Super Bowl? 
Fair enough. Just lay off the orphanages if they don’t get him. May I suggest you become some kind of secret NFL Superhero instead, doling out justice to coaches, players, owners, and fans who piss you off. You could beat James Harrison like he beats women, hunt down Bill Romanowski and have him OD on performance enhancing drugs, do brain surgey on Jerome Harrison, saving his life and his career, scuttle Dan Snyder’s yacht, or mete out justice to idiot fans who get drunk and beat up opposing team fans. If the Browns don’t get RGIII, use your anger/frustration fueled power for good, not evil.
That said, I find myself falling in love with RGIII too. I might have to look at him more.
Your question is irrelevant for like 75 reasons. Here are 4.
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RG3 is not a running quarterback, in the way that people typically mean running quarterback. He’s a great passer who can run.
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“When has X won a superbowl” is a poor argument. For 8 years, people would say “yeah well Peyton Manning never won a superbowl” as if that invalidated his career to that point. Only one team can win a superbowl each year - that doesn’t mean that everything the other 31 teams that year was worthless and wrong.
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There aren’t many running QBs in the NFL. There aren’t many passing QBs who can run like Griffin either, for that matter. The closest comparison is Michael Vick, but Vick was not nearly as good a passer as RG3 coming out of college. So if you’re asking “when has Vick won a superbowl”, we’re getting very specific now - if one particular player never went to a superbowl, you have a big enough sample size to assume that no one else that’s as fast as him could make it? Does the rest of his team just not matter?
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I can’t think of a prospect that had the attributes of RG3. Vick comes close, as I said, but RG3 is a much more developed passer. He’s also a harder worker, much smarter (Vick’s wonderlic was 12, RG3 is going to be near 40), has much better character. The NFL hasn’t seen anyone with RG3’s particular combination of strengths, so it’d be silly to doom him to assumptions like that.