2015 NFL Draft - On The Clock!

Well, Sheldon Richardson is only the second highest rated 3-4 DE according to Pro Football focus, so there’s him. And Aldon Smith isn’t very good … when he’s drinking.

**27th Pick - Byron Jones - Dallas Cowboys **
Combine star but I think he’s a good player. Another guy I was salivating for in the 2nd round.

28th Pick - Laken Tomlinson - Detroit Lions
Don’t know this guy very well but I hope he sucks since he’s now a Lion. Seemed like a nice, smart kid in interviews. Kinda set off my gaydar, not that it matters, but he might be good for the culture in Detroit if he’s actually good.

Not sexy for the Lions, but OL is needed badly.

Wonder if the Colts will consider the local running back here. Gore is a short term fix.

Oh, when you said track record I assumed more than just two rookies, one of which was a 7th rounder. :slight_smile:

Ealy had limited playing time at the start of the year, but had a sack in each of his last 3 games.

Football fans that know a little more than casual fans know that line play is more important than casual fans give it credit for. So they go overboard and say that line play is all that matters, and only casual fans worry about the glitz and glamour of the other positions. The more they talk up the importance of line play, and say that everything else is irrelevant, then the more they know about football, you see.

So lots of people on other forums are gushing over what the Browns did, because smart teams build from the inside out and draft linemen and blah blah. It wouldn’t matter if the Browns took poor fits or poor players, the mere act of making “boring” picks means they’re praiseworthy. Because casual fans would think it’s boring, but they, the ever-so-smart fans know that line play is all that matters.

Very tiring.

Edit: I’m not saying line play isn’t important or anything like that. I’m saying that a bunch of fans that are slightly more knowledgeable than casual fans will flock to praise “boring” linemen moves to prove they’re better than all those casual fans who care about stuff like quarterbacks and receivers. So the Browns are getting that self-styled knowledgeable fan praise regardless of how useful those two picks are going to be.

As a Mariota fan I am very disappointed, although this is what I expected. I would hate to see him thrust into starting for a bad team as a rookie and losing confidence and/or getting injured. Hoping that they either keep Mettenberger around for a year or trade him to a better team.

Pretty happy with the Bears pick at #7…I would have preferred Danny Shelton or a trade down to scoop up Shane Ray at a post-bust discount and get a couple later-round picks thrown in, but I am happy with White.

Stoked that the Niners were able to trade down and still get Armistead. I think he will be an excellent player for them.

As for all picks not involving the Ducks, Bears or Niners, who the hell cares?

29th Pick - Phillip Dorsett - Indianapolis Colts
Another toy for Luck when he’s upright. Really didn’t feel like they needed this guy with Hilton and Johnson but I suppose he could be the highest rated offensive player left on the board, and you always go BPA. Still you gotta block and you gotta cover guys.

I can’t tell if you disagree with the thought that line play is more important than it is given credit for, or if you think it’s all about the skill position players, and the Browns suck for not getting any.

And ALL draft talk before the fact is tiring.

Well, I liked what I saw on tape from Shelton and Erving. If you don’t you’re wrong. :smiley:

I tried to clarify with my edit (which you didn’t see when you wrote this) - I’m not judging the value of line play vs “skill position” play - a term I hate, incidentally, since every position on the field is very skilled. I’m just saying that there are legions of football fans on there that like to prove how knowledgeable they are by telling you how much they appreciate line play and how the glitz and glamour of the skill positions doesn’t interest them, that’s just for casual fans.

If there’s a seed of truth to that, they take it to a ridiculous extreme, because they figure the more they have that attitude, the more knowledgeable a fan that makes them.

I’ve had to deal with it for years for people on Browns boards who can’t acknowledge that we keep drafting bad quarterbacks, but they’ll say stuff like “Even John Elway/Peyton Manning/Dan Marino couldn’t be successful behind this line!” even as the Browns had a top 10 line all those years. They think that all non-linemen positions are basically interchangeable, and the quality of your lines dictate completely your offensive and defensive results - the rest of the players are just window dressing.

And on reddit, for example, most of the praise is of the “The Browns did the safe/boring/good thing of building their lines and didn’t succumb to the temptation for a glamorous player” variety, rather than the “the Browns got two really great players” variety.

30th Pick - Damarious Randall - Green Bay Packers
The Packers just took the first Safety in a draft that’s particularly bad for Safeties. This is probably smart and while I don’t know Randall well I have a hunch that this is a very good pick for the Packers considering the talent at WR in the Norris. He was quite a ways down the positional rank for Safeties so either the Packers are smarter than the media (probably) or the Packers reached badly (let’s hope!).

31st Pick - Stephone Anthony - New Orleans Saints
I don’t know much about this guy, but I do know that he’s not as good as Jimmy Graham.

So will the champs trade their pick in true Belichickian fashion, or will they grab Malcolm Brown to replace Wilfork?

Yeah, that’s annoying. It goes the other way too, where people say “well, this team needed a WR, and they drafted one, so they’ve had a good draft”. The draft is about individual player evaluation, and, to my mind, taking the BPA and getting value for the pick.

That said, I am a big fan of not being blinded by the upside of a flash position over the steadiness of building your lines. And I would expect a team that drafted Josh Gordon and Johnny Manziel to agree with me too.

He probably blocks better.

More relevant than Josh Gordon or Johnny Manziel is the fact that the Browns already have the second best offensive line in the league without a single weakness on it. They spent the #19 overall pick in the draft on a 6th linemen. Even if they know Mack will be leaving next year, you can draft a good center prospect way later in the draft to develop him.

The OL is the one unit on the team that not only doesn’t need another first rounder, but right now probably has no use for one. But we spent a top pick on another OL prospect to create a line that will be as good as any other in the league, and yet will still result in a bottom 8 offense.

Brown is the answer, and I am pretty happy getting him there, given what little I’ve seen and where he was ranked coming in. Hooray Day 1.

32nd Pick - Malcolm Brown - New England Patriots
Well, that’s probably a steal if we’re to believe the experts. Knowing that Patriots is probably is. He’s a little light to be anchoring the nose but with the hybrid fronts that New England plays I’m sure they’ll use him a ton. I think the only thing Pats fans should worry about is if Jordan Phillips turns into a Pro Bowler somewhere else.

So, day one is in the books. Time to start looking at who’s left on the board for the start of the second round. Due to tiebreakers it’s now the Titans who get to spend the night on the clock.

Who should they be targeting to help Mariota turn that truck around. There’s 3 potential stud WRs left on the board in Dorial Green-Beckham, Devin Smith and Jaelen Strong. I think Strong is my favorite but DGB is really, really tempting. Maxx Williams might be a really interesting option to pair with Walker but 33 is a little rich. Jake Fisher might not be a terrible choice, pairing him with a college teammate. I think it’s likely that they go defense which could mean Gregory, Kendricks or McKinney.

More importantly, who’s going to be left for the Bears? Everyone thinks the Bears will be looking at pass rushers but I just don’t see it. We’re overloaded at that position right now. Not all of them are good players or young players, but we frankly just don’t have roster space for more OLBs. Maybe we’ll end up cutting or trading guys like Young, Allen, Houston, McClellin or Jones but that’d be a lot of dead money.

I’m not shocked Gregory dropped out of the top 15 considering the weed, snap and technique issues, but with the raw tools and production you’d think someone would have made a run at him. If the Bears go for a OLB he’s certainly a possibility. A few mocks had them taking Odighizuwa here but I’m really against that pick. Not interested in a rookie with hip issues. His teammate Kendricks is an interesting option but I’m not sure how he projects as a 3-4 ILB.

The Bears really need help on defense but if they don’t go that route I’d be pretty bullish on drafting Jake Fisher, fellow Oregonian and teammate of Kyle Long. The Bears need help at OT and if we can possibly free up some of the money sunk into Bushrod next year that’d be great. Not seeing another offensive player I really love here besides Strong or DGB but no way we go back-to-back WRs.

As an aside, how cool would it have been to land Williams in round one and come back with DGB or Smith in round 2? As much as I like Strong I don’t love him for the Bears, too similar to Jeffery.

So if the Bears don’t go Gregory they’ll probably end up looking elsewhere on defense and the prime candidates are Jordan Phillips to anchor the middle or one of the best remaining DBs, Collins (Jalen, not Landon) or Rowe.