Well, first off, when talking about Eli in particular, it’s not 1 game, it’s 8. He played great in his 8 playoff wins. More relevant to my point, total career playoff stats:
Eli Manning: 8-3 (11 games), Passer Rating 89.3 (compared to 83.5 career rating: +5.8)
Peyton Manning: 13-13 (26 games), Passer Rating 88.1 (compared to 96.5 career rating: -8.4)
Your blind devotion to regular season rate stats and complete denial of the very real ability some players have to step up in big games completely misses the boat when analyzing some players. It’s not a fluke that Eli has more rings than Peyton. Not only does Eli get better in the playoffs while Peyton gets worse, Eli is a flat-out better passer than Peyton in the playoffs, straight up.
You seem to be trying to imply that Eli’s big contract is the reason the Giants haven’t been to the playoffs in the past four years. I suppose you can be forgiven your ignorance, since you don’t follow the Giants. Injuries are what has done them in. Cite:
Not only is Eli not the problem for the Giants, he and ODB have combined to be the team’s only bright spot. And before you rush to discount Eli by giving all the credit to ODB, Eli’s entire career has been a case study in a QB making his WRs appear better than they are. Steve Smith #2 was a beast with Eli, couldn’t catch a cab anywhere else. How well did Hakeem Nicks – also a beast with Eli – do anywhere else?
Eli has most certainly earned his money, and only the most rudimentary and uninformed “analysis” of glancing at regular season rate stats would say otherwise.
Are you trying to imply that every player has an equal impact on winning games?
We’ve danced this dance before. Peyton has those stats because he’s good enough to carry teams to the playoffs while Eli isn’t. Eli’s stats are so much better in the playoffs because he has a much better team around him, while Peyton was carry teams singlehandedly into the playoffs. When you use only those stats, you give Eli the benefit of not having made the playoffs 6 out the last 7 years. That’s … odd … to me.
But I’m really curious. Based on your stats, would you rather have (age not a factor) Eli or Peyton as your QB? Because, if you pick Eli, I’d venture to say you are deeply, deeply in the minority.
I have no problem including playoff stats in comparisions. The larger the sample size, the better. You’re the one who needs to cherry pick stats to make your point.
But you’re right to a point. I don’t see much, if any, evidence to support this idea of “clutch” performances.
Nope.
If Eli is a “bright spot”, that says more about the team around him than him. He was the 13th rated QB, with the 22nd yards per attempt, this year. That’s not bad, but it’s not anywhere near “elite”.
Mara and Jerry Reese are quite happy that you think so. As the Giants didn’t make the playoffs. Again.
The line has moved to Carolina -5.5 / 45.5 (… but the betting was heavy, on the little grey mare …) It was as high as 47.5, which I would probably even then take for the over.
Yeah, no. Peyton has those stats because his division was an embarrassing joke. Like the NFC East this year, but for a whole decade. Basically a free 6 wins every year.
But I’m really curious. Based on your analysis, over the past 10 years would you rather have been rooting for the Bengals or the Giants? Which would you consider more successful?
Is that where you stand on Peyton Manning? That his successes and stats, and general acknowledgement that he’s one of the best QB’s ever, is just the result of him playing in an easy conference? And you would really rather have Eli than Peyton at their primes?
Intriguing thought.
Rooting for? The Giants. And they’ve been more successful. But it seems the point you are trying to make is that winning a Super Bowl makes everything that happens during and since, and every decision made, is automatically correct. I don’t think that’s a rational step.
But I also don’t want my imaginary NFL team run to appease fans.
But, as I said every year we have this discussion, I’m happy that you’re glad with Eli and that you think he should be among the top 5 paid players in the NFL. And I’m more than happy to see the Giants pay him that much for his production the last few years.
Eleven games isn’t even a full season and Eli Manning’s performance in them constitutes a perfectly normal deviation from the mean, even accounting for the fact the opponents are all good.
My wife and I cruised by Levi’s Stadium today, to take a look. It’s about 10 miles away. There was a line of people waiting to take their picture at the main 50 gold logo sign out front. It was pretty cool.
I work in downtown SF and there’s a ton of Super Bowl fanfare going on, but that seems really weird because the actual game is about an hour’s drive away, in Santa Clara. Are the 49ers the team with the longest distance from their titular city to their actual stadium? I can’t think of any that are further.
No North American pro team is REMOTELY as far from its official home city. According to Google Maps, Levi’s Stadum is 47 miles from what it considers to be the center of San Francisco. By way of comparison, The Cowboys play 18 miles from Dallas. The Cardinals are about as far from Phoenix as the Cowboys are from Dallas, and they’re the furthest any team is from its city, though at 11 miles the Giants and Jets do have the distinction of being located in a totally different STATE. Washington of course is not in Washington, they’re in Maryland, but they’re also not really very far away.
The Patriots are 28 miles from Boston but they’re the “New England” Patriots, so technically they’re no miles at all from where they’re supposed to be.
No team in the NBA, NHL or MLB I am aware of is even close to the distance of the 49ers. The Niners also have the distinction of being closer to another city of comparable size, San Jose, than to their name city - indeed, in baseball there are no stadiums at all outside their name city if you argue that the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim can still count Anaheim. (Atlanta is leaving Atlanta soon, but will be just 14 miles out.)
I think the fact that this very well may be Peyton’s last game will be a factor. Manning will take risks he wouldn’t usually take, and the Broncos can put in Osweiler for a serviceable effect if needed. The Broncos are just trickier, physical as the Panthers are.
Cam Newton is the biggest crybaby in the NFL. I thought no one could outdo the narcissistic Marshawn Lynch, but Cam has done it.
I hope the Broncos knock Cam on his prima donna ass at least 6 times.
Unfortunately, the audience will be subjected to his stupid dancing as this showboating clown will probably do his dumb dance to celebrate successfully handling a snap from center or a meaningless first down after the Broncos are ahead by three touchdowns at the end of the first quarter.